Rotkee vs. Pico

Hmmmm....still no reply from them about my order, or any information about it.

I am getting a little concerned

Tutti57 wrote: Hmm, I was checking out their site last night. Accessories are very inexpensive too, unless I missed some monetary conversion button.

They are fairly cheap but after you use TransferWise and pay shipping not quite as cheap as what you see on the website. The long back probing leads I ordered were listed at $9 but ended up being about $23 when all was said and done

makes it worth it when you buy more items

That's why ordered a decent amount. Makes no sense buying one or two small items

Nice!
I'm on the verge of getting one too...

Still no response from them ! Payment received 25 Feb....haven't heard a thing since.

I've emailed them again for an update.

stevieturbo wrote: Still no response from them ! Payment received 25 Feb....haven't heard a thing since.

I've emailed them again for an update.

Same.

Hey fellas,

I ordered a PS16 and the fittings to go with it. (Very impressed with it btw!) I live in Ontario, it took 6 weeks to get here from Kyiv.

I don't think Eugene checks emails on the weekend. I had zero problems with him!!!

I've played with the scope software, I like the stacked mode for secondary, ( I wish Pico could do this ). But it does seem they really limit you to their selection of probes for their scope, which of course is alright, but for those of us that like to mix and match and get the best of all worlds, it's limited.

Hang in there the merchandise will come!!

Yeah I'm not really sure why you guys are having issues... it took about a month to come to me in the US and I got a tracking number right away.

Hello,
The concept of implementing automatic processing of automotive signals was started in 2007 by Andrew Shulgin.


All of our developments have been published in various automotive magazines:
March 20, 2012 - Service Solutions: The ‘CKP’ Script - Underhood Service
March 4, 2015 - The Right Diagnostic Tools Save You From Extensive Disassembly Time - TechShop
February 22, 2016 - Using the CSS Script for Unconventional Diagnostic Methods - TechShop
March 1, 2017 - Maximizing Tools: Using Software to Aid in Engine Mechanical and Electronic Failure Diagnosis - TechShop

Leading automotive forums should refrain from discussing the use of pirated software taken from us and used in other devices.

Andrew Shulgin's explanation

Unfortunately, due to the pirating of our software, further improvement of scripts and the development of new ones will be available only through our server: waveform-analyzer.com/

This means that further hacking of our software will be very difficult to do.

On the other hand, we are willing and ready to partake in mutually beneficial cooperation.

It's disappointing to hear it is pirated.

But with so little information out there, it is hard to know. I would have liked to buy the USB Autoscope, but it just seemed so difficult to actually purchase, with no easy online sellers.
Added to that the risks involved transfering funds in the manner they wish.....the likes of these cheaper options just seemed to have less risk involved.

But which aspect is pirated ? MTPro ? Rotkee ? Diamag ? Or is it just the aspects relating to Andrey's scripts ?

I actually registered on the UJSB Autoscope forum some time ago, but even after weeks, the registration email confirmation never came through. And I did email admin a few times to try and get it resolved.
Although I did re-try a couple of weeks ago, and it did work this time.

You do have a good product, and it could sell much better if there was more information out there, and easier more trusted routes of purchase in the "western" world so to speak.

Yes, you are sure.
Diagmag, MTpro and others use copies of Shulgin's scripts.

The whole "piracy" claim seems weird since Injector Service and Rotkee both appear to be based in Ukraine. Seems like something could be done about it since they're in the same country...............

stevieturbo wrote: You do have a good product, and it could sell much better if there was more information out there, and easier more trusted routes of purchase in the "western" world so to speak.

I wonder if they're both avoiding ATS. Bernie Thompson has a lot of patents.

All 3 companies mentioned are based in Ukraine.

But I'm assuming the piracy part relates to the software regarding the scripts that perform various tests and give the user lots of data without them needing to do very much.

And to be fair, it is one of the reasons I steered towards these products. Although I also want the LAN aspect of the Rotkee so I can hopefully go wireless via WiFi and avoid the need for USB stuff.

What's the ATS ?

stevieturbo wrote: What's the ATS ?

www.automotivetestsolutions.com/escope-elite8-no-tablet

Are you suggesting ATS also copied Vlad/Shulgin's scripts ?

Their EScope is like 4-5x the price of the USB Autoscope which has been around for many years.

And Berni showing (it) off
www.youtube.com/channel/UCoexuFHwO3oZBTzAR14xiSA

.. And if you have to ask - you can't afford it !

stevieturbo wrote: Are you suggesting ATS also copied Vlad/Shulgin's scripts ?

I mentioned ATS because their 'scope software has some similar features to the Ukrainian softwares and they have a bunch of patents. Seems really strange that none of the Ukrainian players are actively going after "Western" markets. They look like great products which would sell really well if there was a less sketchy way to order them. Has to be something keeping them away from a very lucrative market and I doubt it's that they don't like money.

And I'm not convinced anybody is illegally using Shulgins scripts. What Shulgin said in a video which was posted today doesn't tell us anything about the terms, or lack thereof, these scripts were originally released under. If Shulgins scripts really are exclusively licensed to Injector Service why haven't they lawyered up in Ukraine and shut down their competitors?

stevieturbo wrote: Their EScope is like 4-5x the price of the USB Autoscope which has been around for many years.

ATS have also been around for a while. Prolly since the '90's judging by their software :lol: :silly:

This page gives a timeline on Injector Service and Shulgins user generated scripts.

autoscope.eu/about-us/

Any idea what the patents are ?

It would be hard to imagine there is much to patent, when in some form or other, most diagnostic stuff relating to crank speed/accel etc has already been done whether in aftermarket or within the OEM

Got my bits today (no admin charge thankfully) cable is nice and soft, in cylinder hose is well made. Like the sprung retractable cover on the bannana plugs so they work as both insulated and not insulated.