Rotkee vs. Pico

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07 Feb 2021 15:34 #46596 by cadman777
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Hi Guys,
Any of you veterans scope users give a Rotkee scope a test drive?
If so, how does it compare to the Pico automotive scope and software?
Thanx...Chris

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07 Feb 2021 15:58 #46604 by Tyler
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I really want to. :woohoo: Especially since it looks like it does many of the same functions that the USB Autoscope does.

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10 Feb 2021 09:43 #46669 by cadman777
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Doesn't look like anybody in here has tried one yet.
Does that mean ***I*** have to?
I'm no expert, so my opinion isn't worth much.
But if I must, I must!

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10 Feb 2021 14:34 #46676 by Matt T
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Specs look decent enough other than no mention of a buffer. I'm wondering if it writes direct to the PC rather than buffering internally??

I downloaded the software and played around with it a bit. It's not super user friendly but sure looks interesting. Neither the "Help" or "User Manual" do anything so you'll have to figure it out for yourself.

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10 Feb 2021 17:26 - 10 Feb 2021 17:37 #46683 by cadman777
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Duh! Didn't even think to try downloading the software! Guess I'll try that first, compile a list of questions, and then 'inquire'. Thanx for the tip!

OK, just tried it. I can 'get' about 60% of it. But the rest of it I'd need help knowing what it does.
If they have a manual in Russian, I could run it through my OCR program to get it into English.
That's the next inquiry. Stay tuned...
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13 Feb 2021 13:56 #46756 by Tyler
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I downloaded the software and played around with it a bit. It's not super user friendly but sure looks interesting. Neither the "Help" or "User Manual" do anything so you'll have to figure it out for yourself.


Look at the big brain on Matt. B) Never even thought of that.

Doesn't look like anybody in here has tried one yet.
Does that mean ***I*** have to?
I'm no expert, so my opinion isn't worth much.
But if I must, I must!


Somebody crowdfund this man! :lol:

I'll order one, too, just haven't gotten around to making the MoneyGram thing happen.

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13 Feb 2021 20:27 - 13 Feb 2021 20:28 #46769 by cadman777
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Yeah, CrowdFund me.
While your're at it, CF my retirement!

That'd be great.
You guys get one and try it out to see how it compares to Pico 4425A.
I want to have some Math functions on it so I can do the hard stuff.
If I could get the signal data out of the Scope software and into an Excel spreadsheet, I'd be able to do it myself in there.
But getting that data is impossible b/c none of the Scope softwares have an export translator (at least not the ones I use).
Thing is, I contacted the Rotkee guys, but they never responded...
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14 Feb 2021 11:27 #46784 by Matt T
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Look at the big brain on Matt. B) Never even thought of that.


It weren't nuthin' :blush:

Not much use without sample waveforms anyways. Download these and extract them to the Rotkee\Data folder. I used 7zip to extract them but I think most zip utilities will work.

mlab.org.ua/files/data/sec_err.rar

mlab.org.ua/files/data/pres_lanos.rar

mlab.org.ua/files/data/injector_acc.rar

Link to the page I found them if you want more.

mlab.org.ua/mtpro/mtpro-example.html
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14 Feb 2021 11:28 #46785 by Matt T
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14 Feb 2021 11:46 #46786 by Matt T
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I want to have some Math functions on it so I can do the hard stuff.


If you click on the math functions it says they're "in development".

If I could get the signal data out of the Scope software and into an Excel spreadsheet, I'd be able to do it myself in there.
But getting that data is impossible b/c none of the Scope softwares have an export translator (at least not the ones I use).


Try opening one of the *.mt files with excel. I couldn't get anything useful out of one with libreoffice but excel might read it properly??

Hantek and Pico automotive software will both do CSV export. Not sure about their regular software though.

Also found an older copy of user manual in russian.

mlab.org.ua/files/help/Help.pdf
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14 Feb 2021 12:50 #46790 by cadman777
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Matt,
Thanx for all this data!
Back to school...
Guess you gave me a big assignment!
When's it due?

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14 Feb 2021 13:11 #46792 by Matt T
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Translate it:
translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text...html%0A&op=translate


Translate screwed up the download links for me. That's why I posted a link to the original page.

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14 Feb 2021 18:47 #46798 by cadman777
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OK, so you did it already.
Me too, so that's why I'm glad you posted them.
They sure do look like good wave forms!
I'm still working on translating that 'Help' file...

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17 Feb 2021 13:14 - 17 Feb 2021 13:14 #46838 by cadman777
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Just tried opening an '.mt' file in Excel, but no luck.
It's in 'compiled' format.

Just spent all day yesterday updating my Win 10 Home Edition OEM version to the latest Win 10.
Tried the Windows overlay app and it works.
However, I can't export '.mt' files out of the native software to anything, so can't get a CSV out of it for the overlay.
Guess I'll have to use a screen capture.
But really, if I end up getting the MT scope, what does it matter?
It's got its own overlay.

I got a shirt that says "I Cracked the Code'.
It applies to the IRC.
But now I can say it applies to this automotive criminal syndicate too!
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20 Feb 2021 13:21 #46914 by AJeep18
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Man... you guys really got me thinking now! My Vantage is good for what I use it, but anytime I need to zoom in or our or set markers it is kinda clunky and annoying.

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20 Feb 2021 17:46 #46923 by stevieturbo
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On paper the specs are not as good as Pico....but I like the LAN aspect ( easy DIY WiFi if speeds hold up ), 8 channels can't be bad, and they all seem 300v tolerant inputs which saves any need for attenuators....would affect resolution ?

I've been tempted myself, their range of accessories are cheap too....just can't convince myself it's the right one to go for.

Or Diamag scope seems to be another similar unit diamag-osc.com/ that was mentioned before.

But from the online info I can gather, they both seem to be copies of the USB Autoscope, but it carries a much higher price. All from Ukraine.

Choices choices...

I did find this seller who list the MT-Pro.....but it doesnt seem to have any mention of the Rotkee name. Although the seller did not have any stocks of the unit. But their site says they take paypal, which might make transactions easier.

motorstate.com.ua/product-36905-motorstate

If they'd been in stock I'd probably have bought it.
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