Rotkee vs. Pico

Mine finally arrived.
Looks good.
Gonna try it soon.
What's the exact address for Mlab?

That's great. Here's a few good links.but you will have to Google translate them, but once translated they are very useful, especially the forum. Created an account 1st it's free.
mlab.org.ua
mlab.org.ua/forum/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=...d96e8894136672af4a59
Marty

Thanx Marty!
Incidentally, this is what I use to translate these foreign language web pages:
www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/mate-translate...tionary/9pj8vl1pqs7v
It works pretty good on everything (but pics).

 
Cool
I have Chrome with a quick link button which is super quick.

I can see how that works for you.
I have Opera, so it's RMB quick, b/c I don't have Chrome quick!

I have emailed Eugene on several occasions with only one reply initially asking for computer settings which I sent him. No reply since. I still believe the unit is faulty. Have used a LAN tester and cable matches other descriptions. Tried 3 different computers all with the same result. Rotkee is now a big NO from me.

Did you have any surprise shipping,or did it turn out to be what was quoted Rotkee email,,I was going to order a pressure transducer from them

Everything was as quoted. The payment system is a bit clunky and obviously customer service is rubbish

I ordered a PS16 and all the hardware to go with it. Eugene was awesome. Always replied to my emails. The sensor worked great right out of the box with Pico.

Payment sucked though, had to learn TRANFERWISE, would have been better had he accepted BTC.

No issues here.

I got one and it is a good hardware, the sensors are good. Moreover prices are low compare to the "majors".

By the way, the buying process is a little bit tricky and take time but is ok.

It just need a complete manual, at least in English, to have some explanation for scripts use ..
 

autoscope.eu/files/script_elpower_en.html
autoscope.eu/files/script_px_en.html

On the USB-Autoscope website you'll find useful information (not only) on the scripts. It's where it all originated from, imo. 

Thanks.

Already readed this

But to be very accurate on software configurations, more detais would be welcomed.

Once you choose the respective script in the mode panel the software sets it all up, there is no user configuration required. If you wanted to change views, time base, signal amplitude etc you could do so in the recorded wave form itself.

The beauty of the scripts is they're absolutely easy to use and provide a wide array of valuable,critical information. Nevertheless, it takes very solid mechanical and electrical foundations to take COMPLETE advantage of them understanding the underlying working principles.

Yes so it will be good if we could manage to use our own scripts for some specifics needs.

And also to get some specials sensors for old engines that, for exemple carburated ones, do not have a crank sensor.

Rotkee not longer produce the optical rpm sensor...

You CAN  add your own scripts, no problem there. Even the existing scripts are open source.... The optical sensor is offered on the USB-Autoscope site. You also can look on Amazon, ebay etc for optical sensors but be aware that you'll gonna need a high resolution signal: the typical :one magnet: design with one pulse per revolution will not work.. 

Thanks for your answer

I don't know if the sensor from autoscope is compatible with MT Pro (at least the BNC connector) and the kind o signal that it generates ? (Laser + phototransistor : not explained...).

The solution from rotkee seems better to me...

The necessary hardware for Andrej Shulgin scripts were developed in a close relationship with USB autoscope, actually they are the authorized "partners" to employ his scripts. You could make your own adaptor from XLR to bnc if you don't want to buy a commercial one.

As the script works with any high resolution speed signal from any car I see no problem there.

Although working quite a bit with the CSS script I do not consider an rpm sensor an essential, necessary item.....there are almost no cars out there where I needed to apply this. Your local market may be different though.

50 % of the cars I work on are carburated or with Kjetronic, some Spica or KugelFisher injection so there is no RPM sensor at all.

Some scripts need RPM data so ...

Brings back memories of working on Mercedes Fintails.

wrote:

50 % of the cars I work on are carburated or with Kjetronic, some Spica or KugelFisher injection so there is no RPM sensor at all.

Some scripts need RPM data so ...


 

So... I bought a MT-PRO 8 channel scope, and an in cylinder PSI Transducer from Rotkee (haven't used it on the MT-PRO yet sorry), along with the Rotke pressure Delta sensor. I bought them in the beginning of the summer along with the mixer test leads for ignition and injectors.
The process of buying these things from The Ukraine was a bit complicated and albeit scary, but following Rotkee's directions using Wise money exchange etc... worked and I got my items in around a months time with no issues. All and all the cost was under $600.00 for everything which also included a number of their test leads and back-pinning probes. As far as I can tell a similar setup from Pico would be 10 times the cost..... I love Pico's software but as a dealer line tech It's just not in the cards..
I am relatively rusty at scoping as I stopped using my Fluke Labscope around 15 years ago (long story) but I have to say the Rotkee software in English is very intuitive...
Particularly interesting is the ability to scope injectors and ignition coils at the same time in sequence with the mixer cables, you vcan get both ignition and injector patterns in parade format with a separate synch, and use their analyzer app with rpm calculated for you... Amazing!
Please forgive me if the following jpegs don't work I will try to figure out how to post them if they fail..
Also I share everybody's sentiments in regards to a stand alone scope like a Vantage/modis and a P/C based scope, if you are working flat rate like me breaking out a P/C based scope in the work day with shop bay space etc is really a rabbit hole situation... set that stuff up and POOF time just evaporates into thin air like a bad A/C leak..

ok here goes... Ignition parade

Injectors on parade with a ruler just for kicks

Rotkee In cylinder on a Snap-on Modis

rotkee Delta sensor cranking (i think)

and finally a second ignition at 5krpm with fuel cut