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2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
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2 years 1 month ago #55716
by juergen.scholl
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Replied by juergen.scholl on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
I understand there is no misfire on initial start up for maybe 20 seconds. Does this mis-free time span coincide with open loop operation?
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2 years 1 month ago #55721
by dsorjonen
Replied by dsorjonen on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
juergen.scholl, I can't say for certain, but it has always been my suspicion that initial startup operated in Open Loop, or there was some sort of initial enrichment table that provided enough fuel....or a combination of the two. This would make sense with what scannerjohn is suspecting regarding the O2 sensor heater circuit failure.......would you agree?
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2 years 1 month ago #55722
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This is one possibility.
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Replied by juergen.scholl on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
juergen.scholl,.....would you agree?
This is one possibility.
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2 years 1 month ago #55734
by dsorjonen
Replied by dsorjonen on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
Here are some screen shots from today.I ran the engine longer than I've ever run it since the rebuild. The longer it ran, the worse it idled.....but it always clears up around 2000 rpm.All graphs are at idle. Again, everything clears up after 1500 RPM. Bank 1 and Bank 2 are basically identical after 1500 RPM.
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2 years 1 month ago #55741
by VegasJAK
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Replied by VegasJAK on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
P0051 and P0057 both bank 2 O2 heater circuit faults. With AF's the heater circuit has to be working else the 02 will not function correctly. Their heat range is over 1200 degrees F as apposed to narrow band around 600. Check the power and ground for those two 02's.
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2 years 1 month ago #55750
by dsorjonen
Replied by dsorjonen on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
Thank you VegasJAK for your reply.
I'll check power and grounds over the weekend. I've done some of this already and I'm pretty sure I do have good power and grounds.
And if they are good, we have bad sensors......correct???
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I'll check power and grounds over the weekend. I've done some of this already and I'm pretty sure I do have good power and grounds.
And if they are good, we have bad sensors......correct???
I have a busy Easter weekend so I might not reply until Monday.
And so Happy Easter everyone!!! Please remember the sacrifice Jesus made for us some 2000 years ago and celebrate the victory over death!!!!!!!!! Amen and Amen.
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2 years 1 month ago - 2 years 1 month ago #55839
by Tutti57
Replied by Tutti57 on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
How did the harness routing go? There may be a couple of connectors on these that are able to be swapped too without knowing they're wrong. Maybe injector connectors and vvt connectors?
Edit: I scanned over the posts before posting the above. Now after reading through it all, my info doesn't sound helpful. Great, now I have to scramble to try to add some value.
The only other thing I can think of that could impact an individual bank is if this engine has those two swirl valves on the intake. Not sure if those came in later models or not.
When you say you let it longer than ever, were all of the recordings done at full operating temp?
Is there misfire counter in mode6 to see if it's only showing up on #4?
The heater circuit codes are probably going to get you where you need to be now though!
Edit: I scanned over the posts before posting the above. Now after reading through it all, my info doesn't sound helpful. Great, now I have to scramble to try to add some value.
The only other thing I can think of that could impact an individual bank is if this engine has those two swirl valves on the intake. Not sure if those came in later models or not.
When you say you let it longer than ever, were all of the recordings done at full operating temp?
Is there misfire counter in mode6 to see if it's only showing up on #4?
The heater circuit codes are probably going to get you where you need to be now though!
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2 years 3 weeks ago #55907
by Baraka
Replied by Baraka on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
This is the exact thing I wanted to say, because those o2 can mess you up without you knowing
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2 years 3 weeks ago #55929
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Replied by Andy.MacFadyen on topic 2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
Jurgen is right the way I see it you have to stop going down rabbit holes and go back to basics you can eliminate all the factors both banks share and look at what they don't share.
That you don't get the issue at initial start up when the engine is getting cold start enrichment and is in open loop immediately eliminates and fuel pressure issue it points towards a control issue.
You did a lot of work on the vehicle is it possible that the wiring for the injectors or O2 sensors is confused -- ie Bank 1 injector wiring to Bank 2 or upstream and downstream O2 wiring swapped over --- at the back of my mind is a vague recollection of something I read years back about Nissan O2 sensor wiring connectors.
That you don't get the issue at initial start up when the engine is getting cold start enrichment and is in open loop immediately eliminates and fuel pressure issue it points towards a control issue.
You did a lot of work on the vehicle is it possible that the wiring for the injectors or O2 sensors is confused -- ie Bank 1 injector wiring to Bank 2 or upstream and downstream O2 wiring swapped over --- at the back of my mind is a vague recollection of something I read years back about Nissan O2 sensor wiring connectors.
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