2009 Nissan Murano - Complete overhaul - misfire
All gaskets
All bearings
pistons (I could not fine the original oil rings so I had to change the pistons to accommodate new style of oil rings.)
piston rings
timing chain assembly, water pump, oil pump
Catalytic Converters - Both sides
fuel injectors
spark plugs
2 of 6 coil packs
I replaced the old engine wiring harness with a 2012 harness that I have completely checked out for integrity. I don't think we have a wiring problem.
After cranking the engine for the first time since the rebuild, I've experienced a noticeably misfire with a P0304 code. I pulled the spark plugs and realized all the plugs on bank 1 looked perfect and all the plugs on bank 2 looked lean. I checked fuel pressure and it read 48psi at idle. Spec. said it should be 51psi at idle. I replaced the fuel pump and checked fuel pressure. It is basically the same at 48.5 psi....and I still have a misfire. Does 3 psi make that big of a difference??? And if it does, I guess the new pump is also operating below ideal??? Or, do we have some other problem causing low fuel pressure? Does anyone think the misfire is from something other than low fuel pressure?
I thank everyone in advance for all of their help.
David S.
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First off, when does the misfire occur? At idle only? While driving only? All the time?
#4 is up front and easy to access. Pull the coil out and check for spark strength AND leakage around the coil boot. Move the coil and plug from #4 to #2 or #6 if there's any doubt.
Check #4 injector for power and injector pulse with an incandescent test light.
You've already checked for compression, which is excellent. Would you mind sharing the exact compression values for each cylinder?
Does 3 psi make that big of a difference??? And if it does, I guess the new pump is also operating below ideal??? Or, do we have some other problem causing low fuel pressure? Does anyone think the misfire is from something other than low fuel pressure?
IMO, 3 PSI won't account for your single cylinder misfire. That may be *A* problem but not *THE* problem. There are other ways to get low fuel pressure out of a new pump, but lets come back to that later.
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You've got some work into that one, good manI forgot to mention that I did a compression check and I had 11:1 across the board.
I've never expressed the results of a compression test in a ratio before.
Could you please elaborate?
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Thank you for your reply. Okay, from the top........
The misfire occurs at all times other than initial start up. For about the first 20 seconds, maybe a little less, the engine does not have a misfire.
I have performed all those procedures regarding coils and plugs many times checking my work. I have good line, ground and signal on all coils. I've moved them left right and all around. I've put a test light on signal and pulsed as it should.
I have tested power and injector pulse and they also seem to be fine. I haven't double checked the injectors and I will do that tomorrow.
Compressions was spot on 11:1 on all but one cylinder on bank 1 and it was something like 10.9 to 1
One thing I think is important is that all of the spark plugs on bank 2 look lean. All the spark plugs on bank 1 look good. I'll pull the plugs and take pictures tomorrow.
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Having fuel trim data and freeze frame data would help diagnose the problem better.
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Sure, 11:1 is simply 11 times atmosphere (14.7)....so right around 160psi.
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I'll certainly check gaskets tomorrow to see if we have a leak somewhere. This is a complete rebuild and I did check my work many times as I went. I've rebuilt something like 15 different engines and this would be my first gasket to leak...but hey, It could happen and I'll check.
I'll get fuel trim data tomorrow. I've checked it over the weekend and bank 1 had zero LT and basically zero ST fuel trim. Bank 2 had zero LT and something like 5%+ ST
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The static fuel trim of +5 on bank 2 points to a lean condition but dynamic trims will tell more. Increase RPM to 1500, 2500 and 3500 and note trim values at each stage.
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The static fuel trim of +5 on bank 2 points to a lean condition but dynamic trims will tell more. Increase RPM to 1500, 2500 and 3500 and note trim values at each stage. Growing positive values is indicative of a vacuum leak
I disagree with this. With a vacuum leak, fuel trims tend to improve with elevated RPM's. Growing positive values would indicate a fuel delivery, or air metering problem.
Do you think it's possible for bank 1 to have more consistent supply than bank 2?
An injector balance test would not be a bad idea.
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Here are screen shots off my phone as I graphed ST fuel trim.
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Image with file name 900 is at idle. The misfire occurs exactly when fuel trim is increased. Every once in a while the engine won't misfire for two or three seconds when at idle. 95% of the time at idle is the pattern you see in the picture.
There was no misfire from RPM 2000 to 3000.
The image with file name "3000 to 5000 to 900" is when I held steady at 3000 then did a quick throttle snap up to 5000 and then foot off the throttle back to idle. I held steady until 16:13:56 and was on and off the throttle before 16:13:57....the U shape formation. The rest of the graph is at idle with the engine trying to recover. The engine did not misfire until I gave it quick throttle snap.....and then started misfiring immediately when it went back to idle.
I tried to graph RPM on the same chart but I can't show two different Y axis and the scale is way off. I don't have any fancy dancy scanner equipment like you big dogs.....bowwow.
ALSO, I've been working through this issue for about three weeks now. Once I identified this pattern, I moved all of the coils from bank 1 up to bank 2 and vice versa. No change in performance. I then moved all of the injectors from bank 1 over to bank 2 and vice versa.........SAME PROBLEM....NO CHANGE.
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I don't have any fancy dancy scanner equipment like you big dogs.....bowwow.
With that in mind. Swap all bank 1 injectors with bank 2. Repeat RPM test. Does bank 1 now run lean?
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Thank you again for all of your help with this.
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I see an average of 10-20% positive increase during the miss. Shooting from the hip, that makes me wonder about an injector problem. :huh: Not a restriction, more like an electrical problem. High resistance, poor contact, like that. Probably not an injector, since you already moved those around.
"Shouldn't that set an injector code?" Well, I searched service information for this '09 Murano. There are no injector codes. In other words, the injectors are not electrically monitored by the PCM.
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