2002 Buick Century 3.1 Cranks.. and starts momentarily. BCM code question.
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If you are back probing this yellow wire directly at the ignition switch connector and only have power while cranking but not in the Run position, then there is a problem with the ignition switch.
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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Just to make a record of this step and planned next step.
I ordered what I thought was a switch but was actually the harness so after replacing the 8745 harness still nothing at IP panel A3 on the yellow wire.
Do I look at the key cylinder as suspect next?
I'm going to try a wire signal tracer next though up in the dash seems crowded and obstructed.. I guess I can check how many connectors are in the path..
On the other side of the firewall...
The only voltage on the ICM harness connectors is the UH box fuse25 elec IGN power supply. fwiw.
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I have a new key lock cylinder in hand as well but my scan tool is reading all the Key associated pids from Security and Class 2 from the OG key just fine.
It shows the key in Run when it is.. which is part of this question I have.. is the key lock cylinder acting as an actual switch (electrically speaking completing a circuit) ? If the modules are communicating with it with no complaints what's interrupting it in Run position?
the Switch (part 8945 under the column) is comprised of a sealed switch box , wire harness and connector and has continuity underload of a 3A test light to the IP panel A3 fuse terminal so it will hold the voltage when there.
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You could turn the switch in the box with a screwdriver and should still have voltage on the yellow wire in start or run.
Are you back probing at the connector on the yellow wire with the switch plugged in, or are you still measuring at the fuse panel?
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As to probing, I was back probing the connector and the back of the IP panel since I have it out to better investigate.
I appreciate the offer for donner car testing.
I'm more than happy to run tests but feel like I have run out of ideas or more apt like a dog chasing it's tail.. oof oof
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You're not proving anything we don't all ready know by continuing to test at the fuse panel.
You know there's no power at that fuse, that's why you need to move further up the circuit and check the source.
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0.0v @ Run
12v @ Start
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It defies logic that both switches would fail in the exact same manner, but like I mentioned before, we have to trust that you are performing the tests correctly.
According to the diagram I have attached earlier, the yellow wire labeled D1 on ignition switch connector c201 should be hot in run or start.
Assuming the diagram I have attached is correct, which I believe it to be, and assuming source voltage from the fuse is good (which it must be to have power in Start) with the ignition switch in Start (being engine cranking) or with the ignition switch in Run (being the position the switch defaults to after releasing the key from Start) there should be power on the yellow wire labeled D1 while back probing the ignition switch side (not the body side of the harness so as to rule out a terminal issue in the connector) of connector c201. It is a straightforward switch circuit, the only fault can only be the switch itself. There are no more trouble shooting steps for no power on D1 in Run and Start.
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Thanks for the reply and that's what I thought as well, I'm at amateur diy electrical diagnostics level here and trying to follow the training and methods I've been studying here and elsewhere.. lots of lectures and case studies on YT.. but this is my lab time project it would appear.
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Would that in a sense show that the codes are secondary to the apparently faulty switch?
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So maybe we're not exactly on the same page, I have the Buick in the shop right now for front end work and decided to poke some fuses.
If this is the fuse you are saying has no power in run, then that appears to benormal. The car is running right now.
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I'm also replacing the Cam sensor this afternoon after checking it yesterday and finding hen scratch for a signal.
If that doesn't help I guess a new BCM is really what is needed. Unless someone has another idea.
Thanks for checking on the circuits!
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That may have effected the ECU\BCM but at any rate it it fired up and runs.
Still has the RAP relay code though.. so that mystery remains unsolved.
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