Cannot fix Single cylinder misfire under load.
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I think looking at the ignition and injector current patterns during your fault condition is the next step. If those both look good, then it must be a compression problem. Have you swapped or replaced the #3 direct injector? Another thought is you could unplug all the direct injectors - perhaps the car will run on the port injectors as a back-up, and if you don't have a problem, then that tells you it's injector #3 or the control to it (unlikely).
Ok. I got the amp clamp today. I gotta make a loop for it since i didn’t want to spend $20 on a piece of wire and then I should be able to test the current on the injector circuits as well as the coils. I am assuming I’m looking for cylinder 3 to mot match the other 5?
As far as compression is concerned, I did a compression test and got 150 psi. To confirm good compression, I also did a leak down on all three of bank one cylinders and they were all the same with a leak percentage of about 3-4 percent.
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Testing compression isn't useful because this problem only happens under load / i.e. high cylinder pressure. My guess is the problem is not compression. If you can't find the problem with spark or fuel, perhaps then you'll be replacing rocker arms, valves, and valve springs.
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Correct, during your fault condition, you're looking for the current ramp pattern to to match the other 5 injectors.
Testing compression isn't useful because this problem only happens under load / i.e. high cylinder pressure. My guess is the problem is not compression. If you can't find the problem with spark or fuel, perhaps then you'll be replacing rocker arms, valves, and valve springs.
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This threw me off because I was expecting to see an issue on 3, so I kept retracing wiring to make sure my trigger was on the right injector.
I will to to do the other idling tests today to make sure I have it all hooked up correctly and then I will drive it and get it to do it’s thing.
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You may have to account for that the injection event does not take place anywhere near TDC compression, especially on port injection but often time also on GDI, depending on the operation mode. So make sure your sync event really happens when it it should in order to get the cylinders identified corecctly.
Eventually you may want to sync on a specific coil using the trigger signal or a secondary wand/probe, just to avoid possible confusion.
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After restarting, I drove home just a few miles away. When I pulled into the drive, I could feel the miss at idle. I watched the scope and could see there was no spark on 3. I blipped the throttle and the spark came back. Why would it do this?
I haven't done the tests on the injectors, but will try to do that today.
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Or there is a problem = voltage drop or on the positive or ground side leg of these specific #1 coil circuits or it's the coil itself that got higher primary resistance than the other coils thus limiting current flow. Voltage drop testing will be your friend....
I didn't follow this thread from the beginning so I have a couple of questions:
Is the #1 coil same brand as the others?
When swapping coils will this #1 coil while put in another cylinder draw less current as well?
Will another coil put into #1 cylinder now draw less current than it did in the cylinder where it came from?
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The coil may be shut down intentionally, you may want to check/verify that the injector is also shut down at the same time.
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The coil in question is a denso coil. I have replaced the coil on 5 and that is the only one that is aftermarket. I have swapped coils and plugs previously and the problam has always stayed on 3.
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Otherwise, swap coils and see if the lower current changes to another cylinder. If not, then do the voltage drop testing at coil #3. If all checks out, replace the ECM/PCM. However, without checking the direct injector waveform patterns, there is a chance that this lower current on #3 coil is not THE problem, and that the problem lies elsewhere such as the injector.
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a quick question on hooking up the scope of you don’t mind.
when hooking it up to test the port injectors where they all have constant 12v and are grounded through the ecm, do I hook the main lead to the trigger and the grounding lead to positive?
same question with the coil. Do I hook the main lead to the trigger wire and the grounding lead to negative?
im asking because I did this previously when testing injectors and the injectors for 4 and 6 shut down. I had to restart engine and clear codes to get it to run again.
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Compare another cylinder's IGT signal to its current ramp, just to make sure it looks similar or not.
I understand the misfire occurs when putting the car under load. This may go along with a shift from gdi to port injector during this load increase.
You may want to hook the two channels of your scope to both injectors of a non misfiring cylinder and make the engine misfire. Then look for a possible shift between injectors. Then repeat the same on the misfiring cylinder #3. and compare.
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The ground lead of your channel goes to battery negative or a good chassis ground.
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The total current in a series circuit is the same as the current through any resistance of the circuit. This total circuit current would remain the same through all the individual circuit resistors. Before any current flows through a resistance, a potential difference, or voltage, must be available.
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