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Rough idle and high bank 1 fuel trims
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So let's do this again, shall we?
Vehicle: 1996 Explorer, 4.0L pushrod V6. ? miles.
engine I replaced with used motor from (now realizing) a sketchy online east coast snake oil sales man,
was told it has 91k,
+ leaky intake gasket, exhaust gasket.
1st thing I did: was to:
replace lower intake gasket, fuel supply manifold gaskets, all six injectors and O-rings, plenum gaskets, Valve cover Gaskets, PCV valve, installed following parts from old engine that have less than 2000 miles use.
Spark plugs, wires, coil pack, crankshaft position sensor, egr valve, IAC valve, DPFE sensor, EGR vacuum regulator, ECT sensor and the other one whatever it's called temp sensor i guess
following are more than likely original and worked fine on old engine
(I think/thought)
used my old engine wiring harness (parts are discontinued for this vehicle and hard to find brand new) this harness is sketchy at best, but worked, vacuum lines,
throttle body and position sensor, sensor is 18 months old.
GO TIME
was filling coolant system when right out the gate, bad water pump.
replaced pump and thermostat
GO TIME 2,0
Wait forgot to mention that I replaced the exhaust manifolds with my old ones (better shape) and new gaskets plus new cat gaskets both in and out
okay
starts up and runs like shyt.
motor sounds quite well internally plus under the covers the rockers and such looked like a low mileage motor.
but the typical Ford Exploder problems haunt the top-end of this junk yard motor, I had to deal with it on the old motor and won, but this MoFo has kicked my a$$ thus this post ( before taking it to a shop)
Symptoms:
-hard start (sometimes need to depress gas pedal)
-rough idle
-very rough idle when put in gear
Error codes none
cause I can't/won't drive it out of the hood because it won't get out of it's own way. Don't want to push it and cause serious damage.
It acts like vacuum leak, inline gauge has it at 15 inHg steady needle, snap of throttle drops needle to around 3 inHg then right back to 15.
smoked that bad boy and found broken vac line. repaired it
no change
BANK1
SHTFT +17%
LGTFT +25%
BANK2
SHTFT -02%
LGTFT +03%
O2 B1S1 0.86 V
O2 B11S2 0.695 V
O2 B2S11 0.355 V
CLOSED THROTTLE
ECT 183.2 f
FUEL SYSTEM STATUS CL
RPM 808
TIMING ADVANCE 10 DEG
INTAKE AIR TEMP 78.8 f
MAF RATE 0.6 LB/MIN
ABSOLUTE THROTTLE POSITION 20.30 %
INPUT VOLTAGE 14.5
FUEL TRIM BANK1 DROPPED WITH THROTTLE SNAP THEN RETURNED
Smoked again
replaced o-ring on oil filler tube and dip stick handle
smoked again nothing
GO TIME 3.0
NO CHANGE
What happened next is embarrassing but true
I started throwing parts at it like it was Christmas and he was my friend
DPFE SENSOR
EGR VACUUM REGULATOR
O2 SENSORS ALL 3
ENGINE MOTOR MOUNTS
TRANS MOUNT
TRANS FILTER AND FLUID
OIL FILTER AND OIL
FUEL FILTER
EGR GASKET
LOWER INTAKE MANIFOLD (From junkyard)
INTAKE MANIFOLD GASKET LOWER again
FUEL SUPPLY MANIFOLD GASKETS again
PLENUM GASKETS again
VALVECOVER GASKETS again
EXHAUST MANIFOLD GASKETS again
ENGINE WIRING HARNESS AND PCM (From junkyard)
VACUUM LINES (From junkyard)
TORQUE CONVERTOR (Remanufactured)
ALL JUNKYARD PARTS OFF SAME VEHICLE
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR
COIL PACK
POWER STEERING PUMP AND HIGH PRESSURE & RETURN LINES
EGR VALVE
RADIATOR & CAP
MAF SENSOR & AIR FILTER
IAC SENSOR
THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR
SPARK PLUGS AND WIRES
FUEL PUMP
EVAP VAPOR MANAGEMENT VALVE
ECT SENSOR
GAS CAP
NO FRIGGING CHANGE
If I didn't live in a city I would shoot this truck IN BOTH HEADS.
I hope there will be some inspiration found here before I start paying some over priced bastard to tell me what I already know
"you have a lean condition in bank #1"
I hope ya'll found my post as humorous as I found it therapeutic
ALL WELCOME HERE
I suppose that's all I can think of.
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1. your pass, fail list isn't helping us help you, non of us know what any of that means without research. A code list would help and also a description of what each of those "fails" are would help.
2. engine vacuum is at 15? That is way to low. What is engine vacuum at 2000 RPM in park? If it does not improve, you MUST start here. (mechanical issue)
3. vacuum leaks NEVER cause an engine to not be able to get out of it's own way, you do not have a vacuum leak
4. One bank is very lean, the other is normal. A restricted exhaust on one side can do that, but i think the opposite bank would be negative trims, not normal. But something to check for (restricted exhaust)
5. In this year range, Ford used Flex Fuel engines and they had different injectors, but that would effect both banks.
6. Are the injectors even firing on the lean bank? You mentioned a rough idle, do a cylinder drop test and see which ones are affected. I bet you the entire bank 1 side doesn't make a difference based on your descriptions
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I don't know anything about back pressure test. I'll have to spend some time at the YouTube university and get back on that. Thanks for that. I need to go take my lashes from scanner for being a sugar daddy. Who knew throwing parts on a car was a bad thing?
Well, besides this gang.
TTYL Cheryl
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"Kunene internal error: Please Please Please enable Kunene debug
mode and pray to a God you think is there. Then report problem to the www.kunene.org forum."
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I can't recover that for you. Sorry
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You said this won't get out of its own way right?
I would be looking for a restricted cat on the negative fuel trim bank (I think lol)
But this can happen with a plugged cat on one side
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I'll get you access to part 2 where I did end up drilling holes to prove which cat or cats were plugged. It's on premium I think.
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don't know what that balance test is. I'll find out and let you know if I do or don't.
and the limit is File size 5megabyte Image size 0.9 meg,
lucky i copied all the text and pasted it in an email to my computer, but when i tried to copy from that email and past it here it got all bent out of shape and sent me to Go daddy. anyway i'm 95% certain I ruled out vacuum leak with the propane. so my smoker isn't a turd after all. going to go read your other posts and watch your videos Thank you.
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inline to muff. the downstream O2 is right before muff. I'll look at some vids and find out how to check that out. I just had to tick vacuum leak off my list first. DONE
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can i just disconnect the exhaust system at the Y-pipe and see if things get better?
probably not.
I miss my 72 Explorer
well Cheryl i got some vids to watch. Good evening
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TPS
BARO
O211
O221
MAF
at WOT and we will see if my cats are plugged. I'm going to find and watch that video you made on using the DPFE sensor to test exhaust backpressure right after I post this.
Happy Sunday, you too Cheryl
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There I think I said that right
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and here we go.
I'm not seeing the BARO do anything, but I'm at sea level shouldn't it be 15 or 16 inHg? not 27?
and wouldn't the TPS say FT not PT
and shouldn't the O2 sensors jump to rich at the beginning of WOT not towards the end?
IDK
I said I would get this data today so, now I'll watch that DPFE video and get back to ya.
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I have no clue what that means.
I don't expect anyone to leave their wives on Mothers Day and come read my posties.
So I'm going on a beer run.
LOL or should I say a Beer walk?
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