A Video where the Cam sensor takes over the role of the failed CKP?
1 year 9 months ago #57006
by Martin398
I hate it when this happens: you think you’ve seen something but you can’t remember what, or where, or how……
I’m trying to remember if I’ve correctly remembered something Paul once said in a video, and, if I did, how it can possibly work.
It was to do with a long crank time because the crank sensor had failed, but the ECU then looks at the signal from the camshaft sensor instead and uses that input for rpm and firing/injection timing. Now, if I didn’t dream all this, and there was such a video (or videos), what I would like to know is how, without missing teeth to provide a datum, can the ECU use camshaft signal and know when the right point in the cycle is to inject and ignite?
If anyone remembers such videos, and can provide a link, I’d be grateful. Alternatively, if I need to be told I simply had a bad dream and it isn’t possible, I’d also be grateful.
I’m trying to remember if I’ve correctly remembered something Paul once said in a video, and, if I did, how it can possibly work.
It was to do with a long crank time because the crank sensor had failed, but the ECU then looks at the signal from the camshaft sensor instead and uses that input for rpm and firing/injection timing. Now, if I didn’t dream all this, and there was such a video (or videos), what I would like to know is how, without missing teeth to provide a datum, can the ECU use camshaft signal and know when the right point in the cycle is to inject and ignite?
If anyone remembers such videos, and can provide a link, I’d be grateful. Alternatively, if I need to be told I simply had a bad dream and it isn’t possible, I’d also be grateful.
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- stevieturbo
- Offline
- Premium Member
Less
More
- Posts: 87
- Thank you received: 16
1 year 9 months ago #57008
by stevieturbo
Replied by stevieturbo on topic A Video where the Cam sensor takes over the role of the failed CKP?
very simple really.
The crank can only give you two things, rotational speed and position.
Without any specific ID tag like a missing tooth, it can only give speed. But even with that missing tooth, it cannot tell where cylinder 1 is supposed to be firing, as there will be more than one cylinder at TDC at that point ( 4cyl or more engines )
Whereas a suitable camshaft trigger, even a single tooth can give all the data, albeit slower and with less resolution, but because it can positively identify cyl1 compression stroke.
But running like that is certainly not ideal but would be a get you home strategy.
Of course it does require a suitable. eg, 4 equidistant identical teeth would not positively identify cyl1 alone. But with the right number of cylinders, it might just denote that every tooth could be an injection/spark event sufficient to allow the engine to run.
There are lots of options and variables, but in the absence of either a crank or cam, with the correct tooth pattern, one can quite easily allow the engine to run.
The crank can only give you two things, rotational speed and position.
Without any specific ID tag like a missing tooth, it can only give speed. But even with that missing tooth, it cannot tell where cylinder 1 is supposed to be firing, as there will be more than one cylinder at TDC at that point ( 4cyl or more engines )
Whereas a suitable camshaft trigger, even a single tooth can give all the data, albeit slower and with less resolution, but because it can positively identify cyl1 compression stroke.
But running like that is certainly not ideal but would be a get you home strategy.
Of course it does require a suitable. eg, 4 equidistant identical teeth would not positively identify cyl1 alone. But with the right number of cylinders, it might just denote that every tooth could be an injection/spark event sufficient to allow the engine to run.
There are lots of options and variables, but in the absence of either a crank or cam, with the correct tooth pattern, one can quite easily allow the engine to run.
The following user(s) said Thank You: Martin398
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
Less
More
- Posts: 4419
- Thank you received: 961
1 year 9 months ago #57017
by Noah
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
Replied by Noah on topic A Video where the Cam sensor takes over the role of the failed CKP?
I think I remember a video covering that as well?
I'm pretty sure the explanation given was that the PCM will fire injectors/coils in pairs untill the engine is running, hence the long crank time.
If I can find it, I'll post it up here.
I'm pretty sure the explanation given was that the PCM will fire injectors/coils in pairs untill the engine is running, hence the long crank time.
If I can find it, I'll post it up here.
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
The following user(s) said Thank You: Martin398
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
1 year 9 months ago #57022
by Martin398
Replied by Martin398 on topic A Video where the Cam sensor takes over the role of the failed CKP?
Well that’s very kind of you. I hope it doesn’t drive you as mad as it’s been driving me!
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
- ScannerDanner
- Offline
- Administrator
- Religion says do, Jesus says done!
Less
More
- Posts: 937
- Thank you received: 485
1 year 7 months ago #57806
by ScannerDanner
Don't be a parts changer!
Replied by ScannerDanner on topic A Video where the Cam sensor takes over the role of the failed CKP?
man, I'm so sorry I am late with this, but here is the video.
It was a bad engine computer in part 1 and when it came back it had a long crank time and a crank sensor code (I left it unplugged when I was testing it in part 1 I think)
It was a bad engine computer in part 1 and when it came back it had a long crank time and a crank sensor code (I left it unplugged when I was testing it in part 1 I think)
Don't be a parts changer!
Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.
Time to create page: 0.268 seconds