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Before my intake & head gaskets gave, I had the LT's hovering around 0.0, usually a 1.6 difference between them. Since I have been "fixing" this beast (e.g., since I have had it) it seems like I get "new truck" for 500 to 1000 miles then the ECU catches on and craps its pants again, always something new. Sometimes it is easy, like a fried wire shorting to ground, sometimes cap rotor, you name it- that old 400k game. I know the next part I throw at it may well be a crate engine, but I'm as much after answers as mileage.
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Ignoring for the moment that the 97 L31 5.7 vortec puffs blue smoke at every startup with longer than an hour resting time now, I am trying to figure out this LTFT data. My scanner is an Innova "worthless" (I may have spelled the model wrong.) Truck is 1997 K1500 Z71 5.7 L31 with 4L60E, 421k miles on it now. It thought it was retiring at 300k. This summer I pulled the lower intake to fix the coolant leak, that lasted a month before the head gasket said "me too." So I pulled the heads, and halfway through cleaning them I realized there was warp so I got a pair from pick-a-part and cleaned them up only to find they weren't so great either, ended up using my old B2 head on B1 and one of the pick heads on Bank 2, had them both resurfaced, then lapped the valves (but not enough to suck the old rings out.) Valve stem seals replaced a couple times just to make sure. Felpro positive types. Disassembled the lifters and cleaned them all. After playing with the heads, I had some #8 plug oil fouling, and blue smoke started after I did the heads, but I had it disappeared for over a month after adding rislone engine polymer stuff (figuring I dropped some snot into #8 while cleaning the deck.) Note, after the work this summer, I ran out to AZ and back and got 19mpg (before the ign module farted. Yes, I had a spare...don't you?)
Just so you know where I am coming from, I could pull the plenum and head covers (including fuel rail, e- connections, moving egr tube/ac compressor, etc. ) blindfolded at this point (really...which is not exactly a good thing) and set the cam retard to within 1.5% by hand without a scan tool (I have done it 3 times and checked it afterwards...) so I have some degree of experience here. On the other hand I am not a mechanic, just someone who could fix his beast in Baja and get it home again.
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"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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No dtc's. Got one when I left the oil fill cap off once, but otherwise nada.
On this truck there is a direct correlation between lean response ltft and gas consumption. If I got it down to under 1.6 on that side, I'd be getting 16mpg city and 19-20 hwy again even with 400k. It suggests unmetered air into bank 1 to me but I have bubbled and smoked everything and I'm going nuts. Swapped O2 sensors, checked sensor grounds, signals, all that.
The +4.7 is on the bank 1 side and I am looking for whys. I have checked the pcv, I have a remflex on the manifold, I checked the egr tube nuts (replaced the tube a year ago with the manifold.) I have the y pipe donuts tight, I even smoked it through the upstream O2 sensor port. I do have a leak in the y pipe where it turns south to the cat on the passenger side, but that is 2' downstream of the O2 sensor; I have tested the cat temps above and below and they seem to be working.
I am also trying to figure out why Bank 1 LTFT would stay the same in gear vs in park while the Bank 2 LTFT would show 0.0 in gear but negative in park. Bank 1 may be a totally different problem than bank 2.
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Regarding catalyst temps, I've heard that test really isn't terribly definitive in determining whether the device in plugged or not.
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How, then, does one test a cat (for plugged-up-ness or failing)?
Note that at almost 25 years old and 420,000+ miles, I'm really not worried about replacing parts- I expect to! But as I said before, it is as much for the answers...
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If you want a more definitive answer, there's a backpressure tester you can use that measures backpressure in the exhaust, You screw it into the upstream and/or downstream O2 bung and look for PSI values over something like 3, which would indicate a problem. I've heard you can also use a vacuum gauge to diagnose a restriction. Eric the car dude looks like he has a pretty good video on how to do it.
There's probably some things under OBD live data that would tip you off to a restriction as well. Perhaps someone more capable than I can comment on that.
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I have a cheap vacuum gauge from harbor freight that also measures pressure that I use for this. You can remove an O2 sensor before the cat or drill a small hole.
At idle, there should be no pressure.
On snap throttle, I don't want to see more than 3-5psi.
More than that is a clear indication that the exhaust is restricted.
The heat test isn't accurate and pulling an O2 and beating on it is obnoxious and many times inconclusive.
An in cylinder pressure transducer will quickly point to a restricted exhaust, but that's generally out of the reach of most DIYers.
Also, I've never encountered a restricted catalyst where the only symptom is a slight decrease in fuel mileage...
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