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we have changed multiple sensors at position 1 but the signal oscillates wildly
bank 2 is normal but bank 1 sensor 1&2 are unusable signals.
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I can’t attach my pictures
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when I started this project, I was told the oxygen heater bank one sensor one was junk. I never drove the truck previously as it is new to me and it is a real handful of problems. In retrospect, the starter was bad and the flywheel worn so it appears that the underlying problem had to have been there before.
I did the heads timing chain cam as it needed it
We had PO300 p0171 p0174 and I thought we had it down to the fuel pump as it dropped pressure from 48psi to zero very fast. After changing the pump I had 58psi and no rapid bleed down, the lean codes left but the p0300 stayed and I realized the O2 bank 1 was erratic at closed loop after I discovered the graphing function of the bosch 1200 I just bought but It does not have advanced functions..
the first test i had performed was a compression test with all cylinders making 120 psi first crank and all 185 to 200 psi by the third crank (compression, spark, fuel was what I remembered)
We hooked it up to someones wounded hp tuner (it was dropped).
Over a period of an hour, the code P0300 code magically disappeared but we could not read the 02 sensor inputs at all but it may have been the fault of the hp tuner maladies (long unrelated story).
At least, we were able to toggle the injectors and two seemed suspect so I swapped all the injectors out of a motor that runs good.
One of the main symptoms is the long crank with no start about 70% of the time whether hot or cold. The motor I swapped the injectors over with, started excellent before and after the swap but this one has exactly the same symptoms.
I had looked for leaks but I do not have a smoker so tried flammable substances method which worked on SBC when I was young. I found no leaks.
I had installed new bosch sensor 1 on both sides. I have swapped the new bank 1 sensor with the good gm sensor and it made zero difference
We could not find which cylinders the misfires were being counted on with the wounded hp tuner. The bosch 1200 I have does not have the capability to isolate cylinder misfires that I know of.
Regardless, I was without codes for a while but you could see Bank 1 and 2 O2 levels were not related and this hasnt changed.
I know a little about process control and the signal on bank 1 is not a signal you can use for process control as soon as it goes from open loop to closed
I dont have advanced scanners but the purple and purple/white wires are the high signal and should have a constant 0.450 V but I am a bit scared to problem them without a graphing multimeter. I assume the tan and tan/white are read in PCM.
I wish I could upload my pictures as it is so obvious
I plugged my reader into a similar truck that does not run well and you could see the problem in that truck as well but not as pronounced
I hope i havent missed anything and thank you for engaging me as I am at my wits end
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LTFT is less than 5% both banks, STFT similar so vacuum was an outside chance from what I have learned
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I fail to see how a crank retime has anything to do with the O2 signals are radically different bank to bank and its not free to try. Its the same as throwing parts at it so I need to connect it in my mind somehow.
almost every video that was similar seemed to be a intake leak and flammable gas is only applied from the top not the valley.
I am wondering if you are correct that something is really wrong though as the O2 voltage is normal for the open loop section of the startup sequence but I cant get past the bank1 vs bank 2 signals but I am going to research the crank timing
sorry I cant post the pictures
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p0300 is the one I got rid of and it came back
It has an intermittent long crank to start and idles rough
might be easier for the full explaination to look at the other thread
Its really driving me nuts
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Don't be a parts changer!
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You have a misfire code and symptoms of a misfire. So you shouldn't be stressing about the hash you're seeing in your O2 sensor signal. A misfire will do that!! So what you are seeing is an effect, NOT the cause. Stop chasing that O2 hash. Now to read the rest of this thread to try to help more. Also please DO NOT create a new thread with the same problem on the forum. It only adds confusion to those trying to help.I accidently double posted it
p0300 is the one I got rid of and it came back
It has an intermittent long crank to start and idles rough
might be easier for the full explaination to look at the other thread
Its really driving me nuts
Don't be a parts changer!
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So are we chasing a misfire or a long crank, no start? Or both!
When it doesn't start, (during the long crank/no start) what is your fuel pressure and are you losing injection pulse or spark?
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