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2003 Ford F-150 5.4 liter

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2 years 11 months ago #49266 by Cheryl
What would cause the fuel trims to improve with the air filter removed? The air filter isn’t forts. The trims look good without the filter in. When it’s it bank 2 goes to 23% at idle long term. But when it’s Removed bank 2 goes to 13%

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2 years 11 months ago #49269 by Matt T
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The slight pressure drop across the filter would make a leak between the MAF and the throttle plate worse. That should affect both banks though. You only mentioned bank 2??

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2 years 11 months ago #49270 by Cheryl
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Yes sir. I found a few split vacuum hoses. Smoked the intake didn’t really see any smoke after the lines getting fixed. Can leaky exhaust manifolds cause a lean condition? It acts just like a vacuum leak. Goes from 25% long 15% short down to acceptable range at 2500 rpm. Reset Kam a few times. Maf reads 4.8 g/s at idle

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2 years 11 months ago #49271 by Cheryl
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Keeps throwing p0174 only

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2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #49272 by Hardtopdr2
Does it have the plastic intake? If it does look under the upper plenum and see if its leaking under manifold might be melted between the cylinders where egr hooks into intake. Or a booster leak/ torn or cracked or loose intake ducting from filter intake hose  would be the only other thing I can think of.
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2 years 11 months ago #49273 by Cheryl
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I smoke tested the intake. Pinched off booster hose. Didn’t see any smoke. But I’ll look see if i see any melting.

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2 years 11 months ago #49274 by Cheryl
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I don’t think leaky manifold would cause p0174. I’ve seen these junkers with leaky manifolds and not throw codes

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2 years 11 months ago #49305 by Noah
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I don’t think leaky manifold would cause p0174. I’ve seen these junkers with leaky manifolds and not throw codes
I agree. How are the trims on B1? Is it normal or just just slow to set a code?

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2 years 11 months ago #49316 by Cheryl
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The bank 2 is 17% long 18% short at idle. Goes down with higher rpm.

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2 years 11 months ago #49344 by Hardtopdr2
What's the cam phasers position look like could be the intake phaser closing valves to soon or an intake manifold runner control rod clip broke off (not sure if the 5.4 has this or not)

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2 years 11 months ago #49346 by Cheryl
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To old for cam phasers. It’s an 03

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2 years 11 months ago #49474 by llamawrench1997
Sounds like its got a vacuum leak. Lean mainly at idle

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2 years 11 months ago #49475 by Cheryl
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I’ve smoked tested water tested. Not found anything. Performed internal vacuum leak test as well

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2 years 11 months ago #49477 by llamawrench1997
Induce propane or vacuum leak into engine to test integrity of upstream o2 sensors. An exhaust leak in front of your upstream o2 sensor can cause a false lean condition on that bank. And these 5.4 liters like to break studs and develop exhaust leaks

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2 years 11 months ago #49486 by Cheryl
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Tried that

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2 years 11 months ago #49488 by Noah
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Any obstruction ahead of the filter, something stuffed in the inner fender where the fresh air comes into the filter housing?
Is it the stock intake tube and filter housing? 
If it is the stock one, is it in good condition? I've seen a couple of those big plastic ones mangled by people having a hard time aligning that big band clamp.

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2 years 11 months ago #49493 by Cheryl
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Checked air filter smoked it. Etc all good. But I think it’s down to a bad pcm. The actual vs scanner data of oxygen sensor is different. Multimeter shows full rich backprobed at pcm while pcm shows 300mv.

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2 years 11 months ago #49494 by Cheryl
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It’s not completely dead the front oxygen sensors. The pcm sees the change but definitely does not match the meter I have scoping the oxygen sensors at the pcm

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