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5 years 1 week ago #43898 by Hardtopdr2
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Ok im working on a 03 Pontiac grand prix with a 3.8l out of a 2000ish impala. I was checking current waveforms with my amp clamp and my modis edge. Heres where it gets weird. .... i set scope up for the amp clamp, scale, trigger and time base etc. So i scope the number three cylinder and a normal current waveform apears. So i move to the next one cyl 4 and the waveform is now showing in the negative amps (not inverted either) the base line would be at -1 and rise to 0 or 0.2 for the plateau). Checked the next cylinder #6 and different still. Keep in mind i did not change settings on scope and waveform was not inverted. I do t know what to think if my amp clamp is fudged or something else going on. Will post pics and vsm file when i can.

Not sure if anyone ran into this before?

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5 years 1 week ago #43904 by juergen.scholl
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Not sure what device you're actually measuring, because of the mentioned amperage range it might be injectors? When measuring cyl 3 for a second time does it show the "normal" pattern again or is it off then? I am sure you checked it but I'll ask anyhow:
Possibly an interference from another source like iignition coil?

You might want to verify the amp probe on another vehicle or other consumers in this specific vehicle.

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5 years 1 week ago #43911 by Hardtopdr2
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Opps sorry these are for fuel injectors. I have an identical engine in my car so i will test those to see if its the tool. I will have to retake the current measurements as the file did not save for the odd cylinders it did save the good one which i will post later today.

Thanks juergen

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5 years 1 week ago #43926 by Hardtopdr2
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Here are the cylinders 1, 3 and 5 from my car. Apparantly if the amp clamp moves or is rotated the waveform moves up and down the scale. Which i dont think should happen. With the other car i would be holding it and it would be way negative on the scale or would be positive in the scale. As soon as i get to the car again i will get the waveforms again

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5 years 1 week ago #43928 by juergen.scholl
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When you put the clamp around the wire and leave it there with the engine off will it zero out correctly?

Why do the first and third picture show multiple traces?

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5 years 1 week ago #43930 by Hardtopdr2
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The cameras capture rate might be catching two images while its taking the pic since scope has a faster refresh rate. With engine off it zeros out to zero no problems.

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5 years 1 week ago #43933 by Matt T
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Hardtopdr2 wrote: Apparantly if the amp clamp moves or is rotated the waveform moves up and down the scale. Which i dont think should happen.


I've never seen a clamp that wasn't affected by wire position within the hole and clamp orientation. The amount of variation yours is showing looks about normal for a large clamp but I'd consider it excessive for a low amp one.

One thing that will mess with clamps is the jaws not properly closing. I always wipe off the jaw mating faces before I zero them.

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5 years 1 week ago #43936 by Hardtopdr2
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Matt T,

This is just off if my car the one car i am having issues with was reading way negative after zeroing (-20 to -30 range) then another one was a base line of 12 and going to 18. Which i need to get the snapshots from the problem car again.

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5 years 1 week ago #43971 by Hardtopdr2
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Update: the issue was interference from the alternator. when i repositioned the current clamp the readings matched up better. Just frustrating when this happens cause your just not sure.

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