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2.4L Chevy Cobalt 2008 p0171, Odd Fuel trims
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With the car cold and key on, engine off, what does your o2 sensor report in millivolts on your scan tool (upstream and downstream)? What happens when you start the car and it gets up to temperature? If the upstream stays lean (below 450mV) and the downstream reports rich (above 450 mV), then suspect a faulty upstream sensor. Can you make the upstream go rich by doing a wide open throttle acceleration in first gear? Or by spraying something flammable into the intake? Don't contaminate the maf sensor, shoot it up the purge line vacuum supply or breather hose on air intake, or remove the air intake hose altogether and spray then.
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That's good. How long does it take for this voltage to start dropping low and start oscillating up and down, from the time you start the engine? The oxygen sensor is basically an open circuit when it's cold so when it starts to heats up at start up from the heater circuit, it will begin to drop low in voltage and then produce its own voltage fairly quickly with a helping hand from the o2 heater. Exhaust heat helps too of course. But this heater will help the car enter closed loop faster. We want to see both of the upstream and downstream, cold reading voltage of .45 volts, drop low fairly quickly at the same time. This will confirm the heater circuit is fully functional and doing their job.ysiguus wrote: With the car cold and engine on not running both 02 sensors read .45 volts.
At idle what is the Short Term Fuel Trim and the Long Term Fuel Trim values and are you in closed loop? What are these values when you're at a steady cruising speed? At idle we want to see the short term fuel trim hovering close to 0, which would indicate the car is in fuel control, and the car has adapted to this lean condition by adding additional fuel (which is what the long term fuel trim value would indicate).
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ysiguus wrote: I was doing some runs with the wide open throttle but i did not look at the down stream sensor , i think it may have been staying pretty rich through out though, the upstream was constantly fluctuating from .1 to .7 v
That's a good catalytic converter when downstream stays steady

Focusing on the upstream, does it stay rich at wide open throttle? ScannerDanner calls this the fuel delivery test. Go wide open throttle in first gear and watch the upstream o2 and make sure it stays high (like 800 mV - 1000 mV) during the duration of the wide open throttle run. Car will go open loop, dumping fuel into cylinders, the o2s must stay rich.
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