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In the video I didn't hear any sound that sounded like an injector shutting down.
If it does shut down you will clearly hear it. The engine will start misfiring on that cylinder and run like crap
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Maybe a wire is shorting out or some connection is shaking loose from the vibration around 3k?
Maybe there is some software error in the ECU/PCM?
Maybe there is a bad Injector driver in the ECU/PCM?
I'd start by checking the pulse again right at the back of the ECU/PCM
Check between Battery + and the ECU/PCM switched ground injector pulse wire.
If that fails, maybe carefully open up the ECU/PCM and measure the same switched ground injector pulse terminal, but measure it from the inside ( this will eliminate the possibility of a bad plug on the ECU/PCM ).
If it still fails there, I think it either has to be a software problem or a circuit problem in the ECU/PCM.
The only other possibility I can think of is maybe the ECU/PCM has some input that is out of range, which is triggering this software bug (meaning that if you fix the out of range input it might fix the problem).
Should it be that way? No. That's sloppy design. But it can happen.
Maybe check all of your other input signals and see if any other signals go crazy in the same conditions that the loose your injector pulse in.
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Maybe check the resistance of that injector.
Maybe it is drawing too much current, overloading the injector driver and causing the ECU/PCM to shut it down to protect the driver circuit?
I don't know if that's possible, but it wouldn't take very long to check the resistance compared to the others.
Also try moving the injector to another port. See if the problem follows the injector.
It's possible that the injector has an intermediate internal short.
Maybe when / if the short occurs, the ECU/PCM is unable to ground the unrestricted 12v source voltage
If you DC amp clamp that injector, that could also tell you a lot.
How does the current wave form look compared to the others?
What does the current do right at, before and after failure?
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Stop your recording, and zoom out on the buffer to see the firing repetition.
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If it is the case that all the injectors are cutting out at once, then it's probably what Chad said.
which would mean that your problem is elsewhere
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If you do, put the amp clamp around that injector wire ( and maybe the voltage source wire too ).
Capture a graph of that during, before and after failure.
Also I think that most of the things on my previous lists are still valid. Try as many of those as you can.
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It's pretty hard to know exactly what you mean by what you have said so far.
I pulled the plug again and that misfire new plug color is golden or copper. the other cylinders are grey normal color.
What do you mean by this?
Are you talking about spark plugs.. or maybe the plug that goes to the fuel injector?
Maybe something else?
Some pictures here would be super helpful!
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I pulled the spark plug of the misfired cylinder and notice the color was copperish gold orange while the other plugs were grey.
Also, a picture is worth 1000 words. There is no way based on your description that we are going to know what you are describing exactly. please post detailed pictures.
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Up till now I've been assuming that the misfires are being caused by the injector shutting down.
Maybe it's the other way around.
Maybe the injector is shutting down BECAUSE it is misfiring.
I know that it is common on a lot of vehicles for all of the injectors to shut down if the ignition system doesn't work ( in general ).
Fuel won't be delivered if there is no spark to burn it with.
I never thought about a more detailed version of that issue, but it does make sense from the EPA's point of view.
If that cylinder misfires, it will be spraying raw fuel into the exhaust stream... shutting down the injector would stop that pollution from happening.
Maybe this is what is happening?
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Maybe there is an intermittant power or signal problem feeding the correct operation of the coil ( meaning that moving the coil would not change the situation ).
I would also do this check on all of the cylinders, because misfire detection codes / counters are notorious for reporting true misfires, but reporting them on the wrong cylinders.
Also, read the spark plugs. That can tell you a lot.
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