P0171
2010 equinox 2.4l ecotec engine
had a p0171 and could not find a vacuum leak. replaced the following. maf, purge valve, purge valve hose, brake booster vacuum hoses, intake manifold, valve cover gasket, exhaust manifold gasket, dip stick tube and dip stick, gas cap.
I am getting good ST and LT fuel trims at idle, however at speed on the highway the LT is 14= and the ST is all over the place. Im getting horrible gas mileage for a 4cyl around 17 mpg avg.
with all that said the system tests all pass and the p0171 is long gone. it accelerates great and idle perfectly.
fuel injector lazy or dirty?
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So an update.
I bought a used fuel rail off a 2012 equinox. Installed it and the fuel trims dropped. However I now have a rich condition. The part number from 2010 to 2012 fuel injectors are different.
With that said I bought brand new fuel rail and injectors oem for 2010 equinox.
Installed it and now my fuel trims are right back up in the high teens same as the original fuel injectors.
I went back to the 2012 injectors that are mildly rich.
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There are not many vacuum lines on the ecotec. Pcv is internal. I replaced everything including evap line. Brake vacuum hoses. The dip stick tube and dip stick. The gas cap. The intake manifold. The exhaust manifold gasket and the valve cover gasket. I was sure to clean everything good and make sure all passageways were clear.
Assuming the o2 s are working properly. Why would the 2010 fuel injectors give me a lean condition +18 and the 2012 fuel injector give me a rich condition. -13 to -18 area. But good numbers driving.
The number for the lean condition don’t improve when I bring up the rpms or when driving on the highway for example. If anything they get worse with wild swings.
The 2010 fuel injectors are only for that year. 2011 forward are a different part number. I wonder if the 2010 has an updated part number? I can’t find a service bulletin regarding it.
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There are no symptoms of an issue , runs and drives as it should however I can see the fuel trim numbers and when I do the enhanced scan option I see the pending rich condition. No check engine light.
If I reinstall the 2010 fuel injectors then the lean condition comes back.
There has been no misfire or any other drive ability problem. Passes all systems tests.
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jscordo wrote: The scanner I use shows fuel pressure in low 50’s. I don’t have any advanced tools for volume measurement or resistance testing.
There are no symptoms of an issue , runs and drives as it should however I can see the fuel trim numbers and when I do the enhanced scan option I see the pending rich condition. No check engine light.
If I reinstall the 2010 fuel injectors then the lean condition comes back.
There has been no misfire or any other drive ability problem. Passes all systems tests.
A reduced fuel volume initally will be detected by the O2 sensors. The pcm will try to correct this issue , increasing the fuel trim.
As long as the reduced fuel volume is not that excessive the pcm will be able to adjust for it and you will not experience any driveability problems, just higher than normal fuel trim number.
Once the fuel trim numbers surpass a specific treshold the pcm will flag codes and the cel will come on. An even more severe lack of fuel will drive the pcm's correction abilities beyond its limits and driveability problems will occur.
Did you check for alcohol content in the fuel with your scanner?
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with all that said, if I have a lean condition with one set of injectors and rich condition with the newer model set can it still be a fuel volume issue?
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the fuel trims are LT and ST combined. though the ST is all over the place so its hard to get a consistent number. its high but not high enough to set the check engine light. when looking down the runners to the valves, they look pretty darn clean. not alot of built up considering its Direct injection.
any obscure things to check for a vacuum leak?
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Just to discard. I have had problems with trim numbers when evap valve is leaking. I know is not related with injectors/rail, but maybe evap valve is "cheating" you.
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The exhaust manifold has a small crack in it allowing oxygen to enter and fool the O2 sensor into calling for more fuel.
Cost nothing to take a real good look at it.
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