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Fuel pressure 58 psi
Ohmed CKP=700
Backprobed 2 wire CKP with C2 disconnected, Ohmed=700
Continuity tested both wires individually=no open
Voltage drop tested all grounds after removing and cleaning=all good
2.5v on low reference purple wire from CKP (should be 0)
CKP making voltage (I don't currently have a scope but measured with Power Probe 4)
Suspecting PCM problem
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The Crank Sensor is a Variable Reluctance Sensor. It produces an AC sinewave. In order for the PCM to "see" the signal, the amplitude of the AC sinewave needs to be, at least, 0.5 -1.0 VAC.
The best way to verify a good signal is with a labscope. Since you don't have a scope, you can set a volt meter to AC and read voltage while cranking. If you are not producing 0.5 - 1.0 VAC, check the air gap between the sensor and the reluctor wheel. The wider the gap, the smaller/less voltage, the signal will be.
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It's not current that I am interested in. Current should be VERY low. What is important is the amplitude of Voltage, not Current.the power probe for is supposed to be able to measure ac current although not as accurately as a scope…but it is what I have. It said I was getting AC current
Are you reading 2.5v with the sensor connected, disconnected, or both?From what I am understanding the 2.5v on the reference wire indicates a problem causing the computer to not recognize the signal given from the CKP sensor.
Connect an incandescent test-light to Battery (-). With the probe of the test-light, touch the wire that has 2.5v. Does the voltage sustain? Or, does it drop to 0v?
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I grounded the low reference wire to a known good ground and that brought it to 0v. I turned the engine over and the scanner picked up a bunch of new codes including modules losing comm with pcm. After clearing codes and disconnecting ground the codes went away and I got the old codes back for abs problems
I am curious about what would pull down the 2.5 volts. That was what led me to thinking the PCM wasn’t pulling to ground. Is there another module that would be suspect causing this problem? I did check the camshaft position sensor and it Ohmed as good
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it was the voltage that I checked, not current. It was around.3-.5.
I think that is bit low. The amplitude of the signal depends on a few factors:
One of which is the air gap between the sensor and the trigger wheel. Check to make sure that you do not have a "rust jack" at the sensor. Sometimes, rust can build up under the sensor mounting point, increasing the air gap.
Another factor is speed. The faster the trigger wheel spins, the higher the voltage will be. Make sure that your battery is fully charged. Maybe, use a charger with "boost" mode.
A scope waveform would be much more informative, if you can get your hands on one.
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The uScope, from AESwave.com , is a small, single channel scope that can be purchased for about $200. It's a very good scope for the price, but it is very small.
Snap on scopes are worth considering, and are usually readily available to purchase, used. They have 2-channel and 4-channel scopes.
I have no experience with Hantek, but many people choose them because they are more affordable than some other scopes.
Autel has a decent 4 channel scope, but you have to have an Autel scantool. Same with Topdon.
The ATS eScope is an automotive-focused scope. It has some robust features for advanced diagnostics and pairs, nicely, with the eScan scantool. It comes in 4 and 8 channels.
But, hands down, the best scope for Automotive is the Picoscope 4425, or 4425A.
If you get a single channel scope, you will immediately wish you had a 2-channel scope. If you start with a 2-channel scope, you will soon want a 4-channel scope. A 4-channel scope is suitable for most cases but, sometimes, you need more.
Again, any scope is better than no scope.
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