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09 Mini Cooper S No start with crank

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7 years 2 months ago - 7 years 2 months ago #22507 by Bchez71
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Hello all. My name is Bobby and I am a DIY mechanic with limited experience. I just got tired of paying big money for repairs that I could have done myself. So with that being said...I have a 2009 Mini Cooper S (my sons actually) that I have been troubleshooting a no start with crank. At first the car was in the shop for a turbo leak. After $1100 to repair that, the mechanic told my son the high pressure fuel pump was bad and it would be an additional $500 to change. The car was also having hard to start and rough idling. That's when I stepped in and said I will change it after watching how simple it was using YouTube. The HPF pump was changed, as well as the fuel filter. In between the maintenance repairs we had a terrible down pour and the inside of the car was soaking wet. My son thought a mini cooper looked cool with the doors off...totally different story!!!! Since the repairs and soaking of the inside of the car, I am in my current situation. I checked all relays and fuses with a light probe. I checked continuity at the pump and I thought I found my issue and changed the pump but that didn't work. That's when I came across Scanner Danner on You Tube. I can now say, I do not get power to prime the pump with the key/ignition in the on position. If I give direct power using my Power Probe I can here the pump priming. I checked voltage while cranking the engine I see battery voltage. Also, the RPM gauge does read a spike in RPM while trying to start so the crank sensor is sensing rotation. Spark was also verified. I am getting frustrated with this and looking for any advice. Thank you in advance.
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7 years 2 months ago #22508 by Chad
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Bchez71 wrote: I checked voltage while cranking the engine I see battery voltage.


At what location was this check made? At the fuel pump?

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7 years 2 months ago #22521 by Bchez71
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Pole71 I backed pin the white/blue and brown wires at the fuel pump connector.

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7 years 2 months ago #22524 by Chad
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To make sure I understand....

1. The pump does NOT get power, and does NOT run for a couple seconds of prime when the key is turned to the "ON" position.
2. If you give power to the WHT/BLU wire with a power probe, the pump runs.
3. Cranking the engine, you have power on the WHT/BLU wire, and a good ground on the BRN wire but, the pump does not run.

Is this correct?

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7 years 2 months ago #22525 by Bchez71
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Pole71...Yes this is all correct.

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7 years 2 months ago #22526 by Chad
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When you crank the engine and have power on the WHT/BLU wire, is this measured with the connector connected?

I am curious of the voltage on BOTH wires.

With the connector connected, engine cranking,...What voltage do you read on the WHT/BLU wire? What voltage do you read on the BRN wire, while cranking?

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7 years 2 months ago #22532 by cheryl hartkorn
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id use atleast a test light to check the wht/blu wire. i usually use an h11 headlamp bulb to load the circuit for motors.

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7 years 2 months ago #22534 by Bchez71
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Pole71... I got 127.5 milivolts while cranking engine. Not sure if I did that right??? I had my ohm meter attached to the ground side of the plug and grounded to the body. Then I disconnected the negative terminal from the battery and hooked it straight up to the plug in line with ohm meter and I was getting 5.7 - 16. Does this sound right? I’m thinking I have a messed up ground somewhere

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7 years 2 months ago - 7 years 2 months ago #22536 by Chad
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Leave the battery connected. Set your meter to Volts DC. Connect the negative test-lead to a GOOD ground.

Then, back-probe the power side of the fuel pump connector (WHT/BLU) with the positive lead of the meter. CRANK the engine and read the voltage.




Now, move the Back-Probe/positive test-lead to the GROUND side (BRN) of the fuel pump connector, leaving the negative test-lead connected to a good ground. CRANK the engine and read the voltage.


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7 years 2 months ago #22537 by Chad
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Just to be clear, make sure you are doing this test with the fuel pump connector CONNECTED to the fuel pump.

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7 years 2 months ago #22542 by Bchez71
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Hello Pole71. Ok I got 10.9 volts on the positive side and 3.0 on the negative. Thanks for explaining to me how to properly check it. I was using the ground on the actual pump connector. Dee da dee

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7 years 2 months ago - 7 years 2 months ago #22543 by Chad
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3 volts on a ground wire is not good. You have a bad ground. Check the BRN wire and connections for corrosion, rust, cuts, etc.



You can use a jumper wire (or PowerProbe) to provide a temporary GOOD ground for testing purposes to confirm.

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3 years 10 months ago #52986 by SamM
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I have a similar problem. What should the voltage be on both wires when cranking and the pump connected. I have 10.8 volts on the white/blue wire but 73 millivolts on the ground wire. With the key out I checked for continuity on the ground wire, my meter beeped that there was continuity. I am at a loss. Zero fuel pressure and this is a new pump.

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2 years 11 months ago #58634 by Ful4ce
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Were you able to fine this issue? I am having a similar issue.

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