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2015 Ducati Diavel with Intermittent misfire

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7 years 3 months ago #21705 by Breastfed
Hi
first off let me say I hope I'm not going to be flamed for posting motorbike related issues here :unsure:

2015 Ducati Diavel 1198cc,
17,000km on the clock, no plugs or leads etc have ever been replaced.
Next scheduled service at 24,000Km >>Valve adj / check + 4 new Plugs.
2 Plugs per Cyl, Coil Pack with leads.

Problem Intermittent misfire on the Front Horizontal Cyl / (BTW the rear Cyl scope looks normal)

For sometime I have noticed very slight irregular beat when the engine is idling (tho she still hauls !)
lately this has gotten worse.
BTW I dont notice anything with regards to any performance related issues at higher loads.

I captured and recorded this Intermittent misfire from the Front cylinder, my thoughts are a secondary ignition issue related to plugs leads or Coil or a lean misfire seem to be the 2 possibilities.
Checking the Injector waveform is far from easy regarding access issues, even swapping Ign coils over is painful, however if its needed then so be it !!

I see the Firing line goes high and then the spark line is all erratic at that moment the missfire can be heard

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Appreciate any thoughts or comments

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7 years 3 months ago #21707 by JustJuan
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The waveform look like a no fuel misfire.
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7 years 3 months ago #21715 by Breastfed
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Thanks JustJuan
I will try and access the Front Injector and scope both ch's next.

regarding lean misfire .... why does the KV shoot high during this event ? would I be correct in saying that there is no Fuel to help conduct at the spark plug Gap ?

BTW I dont see anything in the snap throttle test.


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7 years 3 months ago - 7 years 3 months ago #21728 by JustJuan
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This video from Paul is very informative:


@3:08 why there's choppiness in the spark line
@4:30 no fuel misfire waveform
@5:30 why that big kV spike at the end? Yup. you're right.

edit: Paul gets this to show up on a snap but you're getting it at idle so I'm not sure about that part.
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7 years 3 months ago #21747 by Breastfed
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Thanks JJ
That video I've watched over and over quite a few times

Had a bright Idea to use the Electronic Stethoscope from work , It has a nice long probe that will easily reach the Injector body. While the engine is running I can hear the Pintle Clicking away but hearing that misfire in time with a "no click" is hard to tell the difference especially at 1300 RPM. As far as I could tell it sounded OK IMHO.

Ive since hacked the Headphone jack and wired this to the Scope ... hopefully this will work for a visual representation, I'll try this tonight.
Accessing that Injector is a MAJOR JOB, Tank Covers, Tank, Air Filter box, Coolant & RHS Radiator !!!!:P

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7 years 3 months ago #21754 by Breastfed
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I hooked up the headphone Jack from the Stethoscope and input this to the Scope to get a visual on the Front Inj, Ch1 (no access to probe the rear Inj for a comparison)
The secondary is Ch2,
Hopefully the scope is fast enough to capture the Injector clicking in time with the next Ignition event from A to B

Looking at the pictures it looks like the Injector is functioning OK, I can also hear a solid click with the headphones on.









pic 7... to the left of the High KV line it looks like the Injector is OK compared to the others in the Parade , however after the high KV line the spark line just fades away to the next event ....

I just know I need to back probe this Injector !!!

any thoughts

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7 years 3 months ago #21770 by Ben
Have you pulled and inspected plug burn? A lean plug will likely show hot (white) , does it have a programmer? Does it have 02 sensor?

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