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2004 ford focus 2.0 Coil burning up

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6 years 2 months ago #18930 by auto58
2004 Ford Focus 2.0 had misfire codes Po302 P0303.

Initial troubleshooting led me to replace the waste spark coil. Starter was replaced prior to problem with coil. Coil had got hot and 2 plugs on the coil would not spark. Bottom of the coil was cracked. returned to customer after repair, car ran fine. Next day car left customer stranded on the road. Checked the car out second time. Same problem coil over heated and burned up. Replaced coil a second time ran for 2 or 3 minutes coil started to smoke and the second coil burned up. looking at wiring diagram shows a capacitor for radio noise suppression. Has any one found a bad capacitor to cause this problem? Reviewing Scanner Dan video on waste spark coils show transistors NPN controls the firing, could this be a possibility? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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6 years 2 months ago #18933 by Noah
Is there anything spliced into the ignition coil harness?
Most of the repeat failure ignition coils I see are from (poor) remote start installations. The tach wire usually gets spliced into a control wire on the coil, and it gets shorted to ground somewhere along the line and kills the coil.

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6 years 2 months ago #18934 by Andy.MacFadyen
As with Noah something shorting the control wire for that pair of cylinders to ground. On the Ford 4 cylinder coil pack the centre pin is +12v supply facing the socket on the coil the socket slot on the left is control for cylinders 1 & 4 cylinders the the pin on the right controls cylinders 2 & 3.

ISTR Coil winding for cylinders 1&4 are controlled by pin 10 on the edis module . the coil winding for 2&3 is controlled by pin 12 on the e-dis module . I would try unplugging the coil and the e-dis and measuring the resistance between the ground and pins 10 & 12 on the edis and also the outer pins on the coil pack and ground. If this okay then you have to look at the Edis unit, the wiring between the Edis and PCM or the PCM.

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6 years 2 months ago #18954 by cheryl hartkorn
hows the spark plug gap? maybe there worn and stressing the coil... whats the condition of the plug wires?

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6 years 2 months ago #18957 by Andy.MacFadyen
Cheryl I would say to get that much over heat damage it has to be on the primary circuit of the coil. Old guys like me used to see that kind of coil burn out issue on old style contact breaker ignitions where a ballast resistor was missing or where the owner had left the ignition on for extended periods with the engine off. With a scope and an amp clamp it would be easier to track down, re-reading Auto58's original post and Noah's answer I think Noah may have hit the nail on the head the problem could something in the wiring that was disturbed when the starter was changed.

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6 years 2 months ago #18991 by auto58
thanks for your input. The only splice is where I replaced the coil plug. it got hot and melted when the coil burned up. Thanks again.
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6 years 2 months ago #18992 by auto58
Thanks for the information. It has put me on the right track. If the problem is with the PCM would the pin that provides the ground to control wire for cylinders 2&3 be grounded? Again thanks for your input.
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6 years 2 months ago #18993 by auto58
thank you . I will check the gaps.
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6 years 2 months ago #19013 by Noah
I think a voltage measurement aft the coil would be a good place to start.
With the key on, engine off and the coil plugged in, all the wires on the coil connector should read battery voltage.
If the the control wire for the pair of missing cylinders shows ground, then the problem is a short in the harness, or the PCM driver is shorted internal.
So if you do find that the control wire is always grounded, you can disconnect the PCM and recheck. If the control wire was grounded with the PCM connected and then not with the PCM disconnected, then it's most likely the PCM is at fault.
I've seen it before in other Ford products.
Of course, if you find the control wire remains grounded with the PCM disconnected, then there's a problem with the harness shorting to ground.

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6 years 2 months ago #19016 by cheryl hartkorn
if the new coils last a day or 2 then burning up you could always try swapping the control wires at the pcm. should be 2 of them that control 2 cylinders a piece. and if coils 1 and 3 burn out your done put a pcm in it. BUT if there burning up instantly do check the control wires for a short to ground
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6 years 2 months ago #19021 by auto58
do you think I could install a in line fuse just for testing purpose? this would keep the harness and coil from, burning up until I find the problem. I think a 20 amp fuse should do the trick . this would only be temp till I find the problem.
thanks for your input.
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6 years 2 months ago #19022 by auto58
do you thank a temp fuse could be used for testing. just to keep coil and wiring from burning up.

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6 years 1 month ago #19526 by auto58
Replaced coil and repaired burned wires in circuit.

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