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Very high fuel trims, no fault codes
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1 year 3 months ago - 1 year 3 months ago #65940
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Very high fuel trims, no fault codes was created by Bifojo28
Hi, I'm trying to diagnose a problem, the idle is unstable, smell of gas from the exhaust, when driving from cold I can see white smoke and sometimes slightly blue coming out. When coasting downhill, pressing the accelerator sometimes throws a visible white smoke cloud. The car is not loosing coolant.
I've already check for leaks with a smoke machine and didn't find anything.
This is at idle, not sure what happened with the O2 sensor there at the beginning.
Further tests and watching graphs I'm almost 100% sure that it is a fuel delivery issue because the STFT goes up when the engine rpm increases. It slowly climbed to 65% at 2200rpm BUT at 2700rpm it decreased to 52% then hovered around 60%. Perhaps a partially blocked injector too ?
I also unplugged the upstream O2 sensor and ran the engine for a minute just to see what the STFT would be, and it was fixed at 50% and the O2 at 0.51v.
What does this mean ? Shouldn't it go to 0% or near zero, why straight at 50% ?
I then plugged back the O2 sensor and unplugged the MAP sensor (this engine only has a MAP sensor) it turned on the check engine light and defaulted to 10 kpa, the O2 sensor at first was fixed at 0.51v (STFT fixed at 50%) took like 20 seconds to react, then it increased to 0.82v, the STFT at the same moment dipped to 33% and then spiked between 32-40% in correlation to the O2 sensor activity.
MAP sensor is almost within spec, it's reading at idle 27-28 kpa, the manual says 35kpa +/- 5kpa. I already cleaned it with contact cleaner, perhaps that made it worse can't remember now.
Do you consider it faulty or enough deviation to cause the high fuel trims?
I did some throttle blips.
The downstream O2 sensor seems to be dead, it's giving an intermittent open circuit and when it does work it reads the same as the Upstream or just reads low voltage.
I read that it doesn't affect the fuel trims, it only monitors the cat efficiency, I have this thought that the engine is running in this lean condition for months or perhaps years (the car is not mine and is neglected), it damaged the catalytic converter and the sensor and probably something more.
EDIT: Added photos to better show the problem.
I've already check for leaks with a smoke machine and didn't find anything.
This is at idle, not sure what happened with the O2 sensor there at the beginning.
Further tests and watching graphs I'm almost 100% sure that it is a fuel delivery issue because the STFT goes up when the engine rpm increases. It slowly climbed to 65% at 2200rpm BUT at 2700rpm it decreased to 52% then hovered around 60%. Perhaps a partially blocked injector too ?
I also unplugged the upstream O2 sensor and ran the engine for a minute just to see what the STFT would be, and it was fixed at 50% and the O2 at 0.51v.
What does this mean ? Shouldn't it go to 0% or near zero, why straight at 50% ?
I then plugged back the O2 sensor and unplugged the MAP sensor (this engine only has a MAP sensor) it turned on the check engine light and defaulted to 10 kpa, the O2 sensor at first was fixed at 0.51v (STFT fixed at 50%) took like 20 seconds to react, then it increased to 0.82v, the STFT at the same moment dipped to 33% and then spiked between 32-40% in correlation to the O2 sensor activity.
MAP sensor is almost within spec, it's reading at idle 27-28 kpa, the manual says 35kpa +/- 5kpa. I already cleaned it with contact cleaner, perhaps that made it worse can't remember now.
Do you consider it faulty or enough deviation to cause the high fuel trims?
I did some throttle blips.
The downstream O2 sensor seems to be dead, it's giving an intermittent open circuit and when it does work it reads the same as the Upstream or just reads low voltage.
I read that it doesn't affect the fuel trims, it only monitors the cat efficiency, I have this thought that the engine is running in this lean condition for months or perhaps years (the car is not mine and is neglected), it damaged the catalytic converter and the sensor and probably something more.
EDIT: Added photos to better show the problem.
Last edit: 1 year 3 months ago by Bifojo28.
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1 year 3 months ago #66048
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1 year 3 months ago #66051
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Assuming is never a good thing.
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If the upstream sensors read accurately, select both o2 pids, TPS voltage and calculated load value. Do a wide open throttle run and report your readings. With high calculated value( close to 100) and lean o2, you are most likely with a fuel issue.
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1 year 3 months ago #66056
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When you say the idle is unstable, is the engine misfiring?
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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What is the year, make, model and engine of the car you are working on?Not a single reply....
When you say the idle is unstable, is the engine misfiring?
"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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