Appreciate Some Help Interpreting my Scan Data
Some things I've discovered are that the Long Term Fuel Trims are high; Bank 1 was 20% and Bank 2 was 14% in September. They improved to B1 13% and B2 5% in January after the fuel injectors were cleaned. It still has terrible gas mileage 12 mpg (19.6 litres per 100 kms) city. The CEL came on again in February for a P0137 ((O2) Sensor Circuit Low Voltage (Bank 1 Sensor 2)); I cleared this code to see if it would come back and it hasn't.
The little I think I know about OBDII Scan data is coming from helpful people on the internet and YouTube like Scanner Danner. I'd really appreciate if someone would take a look at some Data Logging I did and possibly tell what they see. Some oddities I think I see are the Fuel System 1 Status = 4 sometimes affecting other sensors and the Rear O2 sensors read Lean on one Bank and Rich on the other.
Here's a link to a Google Drive file with scan data from a drive around my neighbourhood earlier this month and I attached a graph of some O2 Sensor data. I'd be happy to do more per anyone's recommendations.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i-C3mvE2...0&rtpof=true&sd=true
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However the Bank 1 Sensor 2 O2 is reading lower(Leaner) than Bank 2.
But most importantly your MAF is reporting quite low, for example at an RPM of 3250 it reports only 37 g/s, this should be well over 90 g/s.
To be sure can you post a log of;
RPM
MAF
Upstream Currents
Downstream Voltages
Absolute Load or Calculated Load
ALL fuel TRIMS
Throttle Position
Need maximun rpms during this test drive, doesn't need to be long just a couple of Wide open Throttle runs.
Does this vehicle have an aftermarket Cold Air intake system by chance?
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drive.google.com/file/d/1JsmwwI8_3zfsKfY...fPX/view?usp=sharing
If I missed something or you'd like more, let me know. Somewhat interesting, the Check Engine Light turned off during this drive.
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So if it is not air, then it is fuel related.
But first , you must verfify ALL the O2's especially the pre-cat are capable of responded RICH/LEAN.
You do have a bank to bank imbalance, but at this point it could be O2 related.
Your fuel trims are "linear", this means the problem is "fixed" affecting all engine rpm ranges.
A good clue was when you said you cleaned the injectors and the Trims improved.
This leaves a few item left to test.
1. Fuel presuure Spec is 51-60 PSI. This should not drop at Wide open throttle.
2. Fuel Volume, this pump needs to put out at least 0.5-0.7 gpm
Remember, the pressure can be good, but there is insufficient flow.
If the O2 Feedback system checks, you have good airflow, good pump pressure AND flow, that only leaves the Injectors.
Select ONLY the Data pids I requested on a WOT run after you fixed your P0137, thanks.
Reason is, Global OBD is slow, you'll get more accurate data with the least amount of PIDS selected.
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I'll call the other shop but I don't expect to have anymore updates for awhile. I'll also try to figure out where and if my car has a fuel pressure test valve to attach a gauge.
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Somewhat of an update - the service shop I use doesn't have the gear to test fuel pressure
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You MUST be kidding, aren't you?
An expert is someone who knows each time more on each time less, until he finally knows absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
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They might be but I'm not :lol:
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His thought being that the cold air intake might be throwing the stock tune off.
Negative.
Calculated LOAD Value (PID 04)
The OBD regulations previously defined CLV as:
(current airflow / peak airflow @sea level) * (BARO @ sea level / BARO) * 100%
Your Calc. Ld hit 96 Percent, this means your engine breathed in 96 Percent of the air it should have as compared to the same test conditions from the factory on a dynometer.
You DO NOT have a breathing issue. The PCM in your case "IS" happy with the cold air intake.
There is no "test port" on the fuel rail, a tee kit with adapters is required.
But remember, you can have good pressure, but not enough flow.
Because you fuel trims are "linear", are the correct injectors on this vehicle? They may have been changed. This is the FOMOCO Part #BR3Z9F593B.
Find a reputable shop in your area if you can, this really isn't a difficult one to deal with.
A test that would put the nail in the coffin for this vehicle is the propane enrichment test.
Use a propane bottle with the torch head removed and a long length of rubber hose.
Insert the rubber hose into the intake airstream. Go for a ride and monitor the trims.
At a steady cruising speed, introduce propane into the engine and see if those trims and engine performance improve.
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It'll be a couple of weeks before the O2 sensors arrive and get replaced and I'll update on that. I have a question that I should have asked in my original post. My scan results show Fuel System 1 Status = 1, 2 and 4. I assume 1 is Open Loop; 2 is Closed Loop but I have only seen one mention online of what 4 means and it's "open loop (driving conditions)" ( www.hondata.com/help/flashpro/index.html?fuel_status.htm ). I've heard of Open Loop Wide Open Throttle but sometimes it equals 4 just gradually accelerating to 2,500 rpms and the Upstream O2 sensors spike up to 4 (ma) when the Fuel System Status = 4. So my questions are: Is this Fuel System Status = 4 normal and does the Fuel System Status = 4 cause the Upstream O2 sensor spike up to 4 (ma) or is the O2 sensor spike to 4 causing the Fuel System Status = 4?
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The B1S2 low voltage has been resolved and the misfires appear reduced; the CEL hasn't come on but the long term fuel trims are still high (B1 15% B2 13%) and last week the car went into limp mode and the wrench light came on. I turned the engine off; restarted it and no wrench or limp mode on the drive home or during the few short drives since.
I did a Diagnostic report with my OBD Fusion Scan App when I got home after the Limp mode incident and it listed some Freeze Frame data: "A freeze frame was found but the vehicle has no stored trouble codes. This indicates that the freeze frame could contain out-of-date and inaccurate information." Freeze Frame DTC P2111 (which I've read is Throttle Actuator Control System - Stuck open). I've also read that it might be a problem with the Throttle Position Sensor and not the Throttle Body but the TPS in the S197 Mustang is part of the Throttle Body assembly, so I'd have to replace the whole thing either way.
I pressed and released the accelerator pedal slowly to the floor and back and the OBD Fusion App live data didn't indicate any obvious issues with the Absolute Throttle Position, Absolute Throttle Position B, Accelerator Pedal Position D or E, Commanded Throttle Actuator Control or TPS1 but my knowledge and this app's ability are limited.
I've pasted most of the Freeze Frame data below. Does anything from this data point to an issue with the throttle body or throttle position sensor?
Freeze frame DTC P2111
Fuel system 1 status 2
Calculated load value 59.61 %
Engine coolant temperature 73 °C
Short term fuel % trim - Bank 1 7.03 %
Long term fuel % trim - Bank 1 15.62 %
Short term fuel % trim - Bank 2 6.25 %
Long term fuel % trim - Bank 2 14.06 %
Engine RPM 2118 RPM
Vehicle speed 31 km/h
Ignition timing advance for #1 cylinder 41 deg
Intake air temperature 13 °C
Mass air flow rate 46 g/s
Absolute throttle position 27.45 %
O2 voltage (Bank 1, Sensor 2) 0.77 V
O2 voltage (Bank 2, Sensor 2) 0.76 V
Time since engine start 278 sec
Commanded evaporative purge 54.9 %
Fuel level input 75.29 %
Number of warm-ups since DTCs cleared 49
Distance traveled since DTCs cleared 865 km
Evap system vapor pressure -901.75 Pa
Barometric pressure 88 kPa
O2 sensor lambda wide range (current probe) (Bank 1, Sensor 1) 0.998
O2 sensor current wide range (Bank 1, Sensor 1) -0.031 mA
O2 sensor lambda wide range (current probe) (Bank 2, Sensor 1) 0.985
O2 sensor current wide range (Bank 2, Sensor 1) -0.133 mA
Catalyst temperature (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 629.3 °C
Catalyst temperature (Bank 2 Sensor 1) 629.3 °C
Control module voltage 14.09 V
Absolute load value 35.29 %
Fuel/Air commanded equivalence ratio 0.99
Relative throttle position 15.29 %
Ambient air temperature 13 °C
Absolute throttle position B 42.75 %
Accelerator pedal position D 25.1 %
Accelerator pedal position E 12.55 %
Commanded throttle actuator control 14.9 %
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