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2006 2.2 Malibu -Oscilloscope not as easy answer as I thought

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1 year 2 months ago #60501 by 3505angels
So ive had a stalled car for a while and diagnostics says its a module communication error. BCM and pcm dont communicate. Took some time to learn about can bus and oscilloscopes and finally took a peek and I was hoping the problem would be obvious but it doesnt seem to be erratic readings like what I saw while educating myself. Im at my wits end and if its just a module replacement id rather save myself the 500 dollars of labor a shop would charge. I checked the gm low speed lan and the readings look good. I unplugged modules on and off and readings didnt change. Checked all power and grounds and nothing seems off. Any ideas? Only three modules in the high speed bus. BCM, Steering, and pcm/ecm. Ive yet to check the grounds and 5 volt reference with the oscilloscope but multimeter showed them as fine. I think ill do that maybe the oscilloscope will show a fault there? Any suggestion from an experienced person would be much appreciated.

P.s. Do those readings look fine? Im using a 1x probe. Since I have only videos and some posts from google to reference im basing myself off of that and well in those cases its obvious to see something is off but in my results they look fine? Yellow is high speed can +.
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1 year 2 months ago #60504 by 3505angels
Just to not be confusing the readings are high speed can bus yellow is + and blue is -. Just wanted to show how they mirror each other and I think they look fine but if someone says otherwise im curious.

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1 year 2 months ago #60506 by Matt T

Only three modules in the high speed bus. BCM, Steering, and pcm/ecm.

No EBCM?

Anyways which of the HS-CAN modules can you talk to with a scan tool? And what U codes is each module setting?

Also have you done an ohm check across 6 & 14 at the DLC yet?

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1 year 2 months ago #60520 by 3505angels
Both bcm and pcm accuse each other of no comm. Both are communicable via tech 2 and both give proper readings. Only wrong data is pcm showing fuel disabled which I believe to be from not talking to the bcm and thus not receiving the okay to start (the antitheft key authorization stuff). I had replaced the steering module as it links the 2 but no dice. Car is showing no power steering as well which is why I figured it was the culprit module.

No ebcm hydraulic brakes.

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1 year 2 months ago #60521 by Cheryl
I don’t think you can check resistance on the pins at the dlc. I think it goes to the bcm then out of the bcm to the rest of the modules

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1 year 2 months ago #60523 by 3505angels
The ohm reading were 61.2 between the pins which I think is fine.

These are the codes I am picking up. I erased the codes because several codes popped up when I had unplugged the modules. Upon new codes I saw some new ones that hadnt appeared. Dont know if they are related to a weakening battery. Will need to recharge it to verify.

Pcm
u0141 Lost comms with bcm

Steering
u2109 Lost comms with pcm
u2107 Lost comms with bcm
u2100 Can bus comms malfunction

Bcm
u2111 Lost comms with steering
u210 Lost comms with pcm

New codes: b2555 Short or open in passenger lamp control circuit// Theft deterrent module u2105,u2107,u2100 Lost comms with pcm, bcm and can bus malf.

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1 year 1 month ago #60905 by MarkBeck101
Can you provide a description of all of the buses and how they are related (network tree), for example connected to the DLC or beyond a gate way (BCM?). Many scan tools provide the network topology (tree). Once this is understood then we need to look at a vehicle wiring diagram to see how the CAN bus connections are made. For example, daisy chained through each module or using a network distribution block, and any intermediate connection points like in-line or bulkhead connectors. For modules on the same bus with the termination and connections working the modules on this bus should be able to see each other. To disrupt bus communication there is something preventing the modules from communicating. Many times through the DLC you can talk to one module (the gateway) but not another on an output network. If a bus is corrupted then all modules on the bus will not be able to see each other. The vast majority of communication faults are in the wiring or connectors, with the main causes being harness chaffing or water intrusion. Only in vary unique failures would a module CAN interface IC take down the bus.

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