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Analyzing Ignition Waveforms
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                3 years 7 months ago                #55317
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        Hello,
I have just been scoping out ignition waveforms. I have a lot of questions. Can anyone recommend some good resources for further analysis? I have the scannerdanner book and I had a premium membership and watched all the videos. But I still have questions. Heres a few weird ignition event captures. Whats anyone think of these? All the same vehicle. All at idle.
    I have just been scoping out ignition waveforms. I have a lot of questions. Can anyone recommend some good resources for further analysis? I have the scannerdanner book and I had a premium membership and watched all the videos. But I still have questions. Heres a few weird ignition event captures. Whats anyone think of these? All the same vehicle. All at idle.
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                3 years 7 months ago                #55326
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        Replied by juergen.scholl on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        You may want to look at this thread:
www.scannerdanner.com/forum/post-your-re...questions.html#29114 .
            www.scannerdanner.com/forum/post-your-re...questions.html#29114 .
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                3 years 6 months ago                #55672
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        Replied by Joshasta on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        yes, thanks, been watching those TST seminars...
But take a look at the pics above.
The middle picture is good waveform.
The other two both show something different going on. Im not sure what.
But when I take a recording of a bunch of ignition events, should I disregard the weird looking waveforms and only focus on the good. Or did I catch something bad?
    But take a look at the pics above.
The middle picture is good waveform.
The other two both show something different going on. Im not sure what.
But when I take a recording of a bunch of ignition events, should I disregard the weird looking waveforms and only focus on the good. Or did I catch something bad?
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                3 years 6 months ago                #55679
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        Replied by Tyler on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        Joshasta, I've got your three captures here. I'll give you my best WAG's.  Given that I don't know the vehicle (other than a Toyota) or the ignition system.
 Given that I don't know the vehicle (other than a Toyota) or the ignition system.
This one looks pretty clean, IMO. Normal amount of current draw. 1.5-ish ms burn time. Burn line looks normal. If this was taken off a Toyota COP, then this is probably about as good as it gets with secondary testing.
Best guess, the secondary probe placement on the coil isn't perfect. The characteristics are there, but the amplitude of the burn line isn't like the first.
This one *might* be misfiring? :huh: There's no clearly defined burn line. There's also no coil ringing at the end of the (non-existent) burn line. Again, probe placement may be a factor. I see this type of waveform on distributor systems when placing the probe on individual wires.
     Given that I don't know the vehicle (other than a Toyota) or the ignition system.
 Given that I don't know the vehicle (other than a Toyota) or the ignition system.This one looks pretty clean, IMO. Normal amount of current draw. 1.5-ish ms burn time. Burn line looks normal. If this was taken off a Toyota COP, then this is probably about as good as it gets with secondary testing.
Best guess, the secondary probe placement on the coil isn't perfect. The characteristics are there, but the amplitude of the burn line isn't like the first.
This one *might* be misfiring? :huh: There's no clearly defined burn line. There's also no coil ringing at the end of the (non-existent) burn line. Again, probe placement may be a factor. I see this type of waveform on distributor systems when placing the probe on individual wires.
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                3 years 6 months ago         -  3 years 6 months ago        #55683
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        Replied by Joshasta on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        Right on, Thanks Tyler.
This is from old '94 Toyota pickup. 3VZE. Distributor with electronic pickup.
I was moving my secondary clamp pickup around on the wires. Sometimes I could have my clamp placed further away from the distributor than other times...
But, yes, I was wondering what's up with the burn line on these 2:
    
    This is from old '94 Toyota pickup. 3VZE. Distributor with electronic pickup.
I was moving my secondary clamp pickup around on the wires. Sometimes I could have my clamp placed further away from the distributor than other times...
But, yes, I was wondering what's up with the burn line on these 2:
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                3 years 6 months ago                #55730
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        Replied by Paul P. on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        Here's another good resource, it's Mac's old book from the Allen Institute. Jim Morton shared this with me a few years back!!!!
drive.google.com/file/d/1wIbSpsoTrk-CtIL...WTE/view?usp=sharing
            drive.google.com/file/d/1wIbSpsoTrk-CtIL...WTE/view?usp=sharing
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                3 years 6 months ago                #55745
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        Replied by Joshasta on topic Analyzing Ignition Waveforms            
    
        sweet, thanks for sharing!    
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