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3 years 2 weeks ago - 3 years 2 weeks ago #47917 by Noah
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This will be quick, just wanted to share the latest key off battery draw complaint I had.

Once I was hooked up I could see there was nearly 5 amps of current!
Anything pulling that kind of load should have been obvious, but no lights were on, no motors or pumps were running, so the first test I did was disconnect the B+ cable from the new alternator:



And after about 30 minutes it fell down to about 20ma.

"Ground cannot be checked with a 10mm socket"
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3 years 2 weeks ago #47919 by Tutti57
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Good find. Did you busy happen to check it after you installed the alternator or did something happen that led you to test it?

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3 years 2 weeks ago #47921 by Noah
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I did not install that alternator, it came in like that.
Just a semi educated guess, plus it was easy to get at :)

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3 years 2 weeks ago #47942 by AJeep18
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I’m curious if you have a theory as to what it took so long. It seems to me that as soon as you unhooked the B+ the voltage would have stopped back-feeding and the draw would have gone away?
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3 years 2 weeks ago #47947 by Matt T
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AJeep18 wrote: I’m curious if you have a theory as to what it took so long. It seems to me that as soon as you unhooked the B+ the voltage would have stopped back-feeding and the draw would have gone away?


That does seem a bit weird. Looks like it only dropped to ~1/2 amp when the B+ wire was disconnected. And control wiring appears to have already been unplugged so the alternator couldn't keep anything awake thru' it??

Does the vehicle have a battery current sensor? A 5A reading from it might keep some things awake??
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3 years 2 weeks ago - 3 years 2 weeks ago #47956 by Noah
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It dropped 4.3 amps with the battery feed disconnected, down to 450ma.
Which did seem awful high to me, but I wasn't ready to go digging around the fuse box just yet since I knew the modules all would still be awake because I just started the draw test.
So I went after a crank no start Yukon in the parking lot while I waited for everything to time out.

And you are correct, I disconnected the control harness to ensure it was just the alternator that was the source of the draw and not some weird fault in the control circuit.

Every time I looked back at it (every 10 minutes-ish?) it stepped down consumption more than 10ma. Eventually on one of my passes by the car it had fallen to 20ma.

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3 years 2 weeks ago #47964 by AJeep18
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Oh I see, I didn't look at the picture close enough. :blush:

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3 years 2 weeks ago - 3 years 2 weeks ago #48001 by Andy.MacFadyen
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Nice one !
I had that a few years back -- didn't have much in the way of diagnostic equipment at the time so it took me a bit of scratching around. It was an even bigger drain it was a Lucas Magneti Marelli so pulled 3 blade multi plug at the alternator --- big fat spark ! problem found :-)
Now if I see a big current drain I go straight amp clamp the alternator and wiper motor first.

" We're trying to plug a hole in the universe, what are you doing ?. "
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3 years 2 weeks ago #48002 by Wightscope
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Must be one of those new cold start aids that keeps the engine bay warm !

Good find.
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3 years 2 weeks ago #48031 by Noah
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Yeah, I'm sure the critters under the hood didn't mind cozying up around that thing at night.

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