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5 years 4 months ago - 5 years 4 months ago #25122
by Andy.MacFadyen
" We're trying to plug a hole in the universe, what are you doing ?. "
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"How many degrees of ignition advance can you expect to see on a cranking relative compression test ?"
The simple answer is somewhere between the static ignition advance and the advance at idle speed.
Static advance the initial advance set in the computer before the crank starts to rotate is generally about 5 degree BTDC any earlier than this would result in combustion pressure rise starting before TDC and the engine trying to start in the wrong rotation direction fighting against the starter .
At idle speed for example 800 rpm the ignition advance will be controlled by the computer somewhere between 10 and 15 degrees.
You can look at this from scan data --- this is a Land-Rover Freelander KV6 2.5 engine from Key On Engine Off to about 4,500 RPM and back to zero rpm. 5 Deg BTDC Static advance rising rapidly to around 14 BTDC at normal idle
To make interpreting both Cranking Relative Compression Tests and In Cylinder Compression tests easier and avoid doing maths a hard and fast rule is you always expect the ignition sync firing line to be about 2 to 2.5 ms before peak compression pressure.
"How many degrees of ignition advance can you expect to see on a cranking relative compression test ?"
The simple answer is somewhere between the static ignition advance and the advance at idle speed.
Static advance the initial advance set in the computer before the crank starts to rotate is generally about 5 degree BTDC any earlier than this would result in combustion pressure rise starting before TDC and the engine trying to start in the wrong rotation direction fighting against the starter .
At idle speed for example 800 rpm the ignition advance will be controlled by the computer somewhere between 10 and 15 degrees.
You can look at this from scan data --- this is a Land-Rover Freelander KV6 2.5 engine from Key On Engine Off to about 4,500 RPM and back to zero rpm. 5 Deg BTDC Static advance rising rapidly to around 14 BTDC at normal idle
To make interpreting both Cranking Relative Compression Tests and In Cylinder Compression tests easier and avoid doing maths a hard and fast rule is you always expect the ignition sync firing line to be about 2 to 2.5 ms before peak compression pressure.
" We're trying to plug a hole in the universe, what are you doing ?. "
(Walter Bishop Fringe TV show)
Last edit: 5 years 4 months ago by Andy.MacFadyen.
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5 years 4 months ago #25133
by Tyler
Good stuff right here.
Replied by Tyler on topic Ign Advance -Cranking RelativeCompression & In-cylinder
Andy.MacFadyen wrote: To make interpreting both Cranking Relative Compression Tests and In Cylinder Compression tests easier and avoid doing maths a hard and fast rule is you always expect the ignition sync firing line to be about 2 to 2.5 ms before peak compression pressure.
Good stuff right here.
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