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Common Rail Diesels

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #14758 by Andy.MacFadyen

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As my own car is now common rail diesel I thought I better get up to speed on them and found a website with a good training slide show by Tony Kitchen of AK Training giving a concise briefing on the Common Rail system Link to Slide Show

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8 years 2 months ago #14771 by Noah

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Wow, score! Thanks Andy

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #15125 by Andy.MacFadyen

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I did some captures interesting this is the injector amps waveform at idle --- not sure what the features are yet but it is good to ave a known good

Under hood intermediate pressure electric fuel pump amps.

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8 years 2 months ago #15126 by Ben

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Hey Andy that's a weird looking injector current for sure ! Whats the deal on the pump I see it seems to be every 4th is lower current is this a dying pump or a release in load? I thought pumps were usually 8 segments per revolution?

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #15129 by Andy.MacFadyen

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What I think is happening with the fuel pump is it feeds into a 3 lobe mechanical pump and the variation is due to the intake strokes of the pump, I am going to try to confirm that either by getting a waveform from the net or jumping the pump relay to run it engine off.

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8 years 2 months ago #15134 by Andy.MacFadyen

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I found a couple of pages on the web that explain complex injector current pattern, the injector opens twice, the first is the pre or pilot injection the second is the main injection. In addition some common rail engines use a post injection pulse to clean up the emisions .

Pico site www.picoauto.com/library/automotive-guid...sch-current-at-idle/
Crypton site www.crypton.co.za/Tto%20know/Actuators/injectors.html

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8 years 2 months ago #15141 by Ben

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that makes me want to take a look at my vw diesel injector current and see what it looks like. The injection pump sure makes sense on that pump current.

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #15146 by Andy.MacFadyen

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I will need to run a test on the pump with the engine off to be 100% sure on the pump wave form if I get time at the weekend I will. Pico's Frank Massey has an interesting simple testing method the common rail pressure sensor output voltage I will also give that a go.

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8 years 2 months ago #15149 by Andy.MacFadyen

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Comon rail pressure sensor test, following Frank Massey of Pico's method --- although I only max RPM for a second or so. A good simple test.
www.picoauto.com/library/automotive-guid.../common-rail-diesel/

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8 years 2 months ago #15191 by Landroverman1958

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Hi Andy,i,ve been taking what i call a quite a few standard fuel pressure pattern or profile for quite a few years,the interesting thing is the high pressure profile(pattern)for a high pressure petrol as in the ecoboost engine is the same as a common rail diesel,
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8 years 2 months ago #15199 by Ncautoshop

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We're primarily a diesel shop. If there's any thing you may be interested in I likely have captures or can get it rather quickly!

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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #15386 by scopeman

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Hi i have had this pdf for a while when i was looking at furthering my knowledge on Diesel systems and testing.Here is a follow up to the pdf if any use. www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=...SXvwnHm77yycdVP7-3TI The link opens the pdf called Common rail diesel diagnostics
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8 years 2 months ago #15404 by Landroverman1958

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please find attached two files of A piezo injector, B solenoid type common rail injector patterns,

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8 years 2 months ago #15406 by Landroverman1958

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the attached file is from a 2.5LDV van with the Fiat based engine,it has a faulty rail pressure sensor.

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