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Any folks here understand how a Power Probe actually works?
1 year 8 months ago #57854
by trjp
Any folks here understand how a Power Probe actually works? was created by trjp
I noticed something WEIRD when using a PP recently and wondered if anyone might be able to explain it...
I was checking a (VR) Crank Sensor circuit - car IGN on - with a Power Probe and noticed that when I touched either of the sensor wires, a (fuel pump I think) relay would click-on in the fusebox
It would stay-on for a while but when it clicked-off - touching EITHER wire would switch it back on...
I was using a PP III but I swapped to an Amazon cheapie probe and it did the same thing so it's not a peculiarity or a fault with the PP
This is in 'sense' mode - I'm not pressing the +/- button here
I'm guessing with my limited electronics knowledge that the PP passes a small current to the tip (so it can check for resistance and thus determine what it's touching) and then measures the overall voltage - e.g. it's a multimeter in resistance AND DC voltage mode at the same time??
I'm therefore further guessing that this is being picked-up by the ECU as a 'crank signal' and it's triggering the fuel pump???
Am I way-off-beam here - I'm really guessing???
Thanks!
I was checking a (VR) Crank Sensor circuit - car IGN on - with a Power Probe and noticed that when I touched either of the sensor wires, a (fuel pump I think) relay would click-on in the fusebox
It would stay-on for a while but when it clicked-off - touching EITHER wire would switch it back on...
I was using a PP III but I swapped to an Amazon cheapie probe and it did the same thing so it's not a peculiarity or a fault with the PP
This is in 'sense' mode - I'm not pressing the +/- button here
I'm guessing with my limited electronics knowledge that the PP passes a small current to the tip (so it can check for resistance and thus determine what it's touching) and then measures the overall voltage - e.g. it's a multimeter in resistance AND DC voltage mode at the same time??
I'm therefore further guessing that this is being picked-up by the ECU as a 'crank signal' and it's triggering the fuel pump???
Am I way-off-beam here - I'm really guessing???
Thanks!
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1 year 8 months ago #57859
by Tyler
Replied by Tyler on topic Any folks here understand how a Power Probe actually works?
I don't pretend to understand how the Power Probe actually works. :silly: But Chad was kind enough to take a measurement of the 'tip' voltage of his Power Probe with a Pico:
For reference, the large pulse in the middle is with the rocker switch on BEEEEEEEEEEP power.
I'm guessing that the smaller 2-ish volt pulses are probably what is being used to check continuity. I agree that the ECU is probably seeing those pulses on the VR crank sensor circuit and thinking the engine is turning. :lol:
For reference, the large pulse in the middle is with the rocker switch on BEEEEEEEEEEP power.
I'm guessing that the smaller 2-ish volt pulses are probably what is being used to check continuity. I agree that the ECU is probably seeing those pulses on the VR crank sensor circuit and thinking the engine is turning. :lol:
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1 year 8 months ago - 1 year 8 months ago #57865
by trjp
Replied by trjp on topic Any folks here understand how a Power Probe actually works?
That's super interesting - thanks for that!!
I realised I could test my own probe (super basic - no screen) on my desk scope but I only have a desk 12V power supply and it's too noisy (AC ripple) to see detail like that and I'm not keen standing in the street with a laptop attached to my car battery - people will ask me to fix THEIR cars
The 2V pulses would DEFINATELY look like a crank signal tho - the actual sensor puts-out a 3v AC wave so...
Thanks for that!
I realised I could test my own probe (super basic - no screen) on my desk scope but I only have a desk 12V power supply and it's too noisy (AC ripple) to see detail like that and I'm not keen standing in the street with a laptop attached to my car battery - people will ask me to fix THEIR cars
The 2V pulses would DEFINATELY look like a crank signal tho - the actual sensor puts-out a 3v AC wave so...
Thanks for that!
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