'96 Toyota Tacoma P0171 Lean Code
Freeze frame data shows: Eng load: 9.8%, Coolant Temp: 190F, STFT: 18.75%, LTFT: 17.97%
RPM: 703, Speed: 0 mph, Intake air: 69.8 F
After it's warmed up at idle, I get ST: 19.5, LT: 23.4
@2500 rpm, I get: ST: 0, LT: 9.5
O2 sensors appear to have normal activity.
I checked arond for a vac leak, by pinching off vac hoses and spraying some carb cleaner around the intake manifold gaskets (as best I could).
I did find an emissions VSV hose that was disconnected, but reconnecting didn't make a significant difference.
Thinking it was a vac hose, I pinched off the fuel return line and the total fuel trim corrected to ~5% pretty quickly.
Would that point to a fuel pressure or fuel regulator issue?
Suggestions?
Thanks!
Paul
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Are you watching stft while looking for the leaks while using propane or brake cleaner? I'd go after that smoke test that hardtopdr recommended.
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Has anyone used the ~$70 Smoke Machines advertised on ebay? The look like they're made out of a 1 gal paint can and a Weber BBQ propane regulator.
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The first pic is fully warmed up, at ~2500 rpm. As you can see the range is ~0 to 550 mV. For that portion of the scan, total fuel trim was ~5%. At idle, I'm flat-lined on voltage and total trim is 20-40%.
I've been looking for vac leaks. When I first started investigating, I found one small vac hose on the back of the intake that was disconnected. Probably has been disconnected since I replaced valve cover gaskets a couple years ago. Reconnecting it didn't make much difference. I wasn't able to check heater voltage and gnd at the connector, but was able to ohm the heater: ~13.2 ohms.
Truck has no drive-ability issues. The O2 sensors are original, w/ 262K miles. Section 5 of SD's book indicates healthy O2 sensors should oscillate between ~200~800 mV, w/ peaks <200 and >800.
Is my O2 sensor just worn out, or should I continue to go down the vacuum leak path?
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Here's Idle (696 rpm, ECT: 86C, AF: 2.38 g/s, STFT: 19.5, LTFT: 27.3)
Here's 2500 rpm (2569 rpm, ECT: 89C, AF: 12.03 g/s, STFT: 3.1, LTFT: 11.7)
Here's transition back to idle
Yellow is Sensor 1, green is Sensor 2.
I've tried, water, Carb cleaner and pinching off hoses to look for a vacuum leak to no avail. When I first looked for vac leaks, I did find a fuel pressure regulator VSV hose that was disconnected from the intake (it had probably been disconnected since I replaced V/C gaskets a couple years ago. Reconnecting it made very little difference. The config of the 3.4 L engine intake manifold makes it difficult to get to the joint between the upper and lower manifolds. I used new OEM gaskets when those were replaced.
Looking for direction, should I continue down the vac leak path and get a smoke machine or investigate fuel pressure or MAF?
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MGNut wrote: Here's Idle (696 rpm, ECT: 86C, AF: 2.38 g/s, STFT: 19.5, LTFT: 27.3)
Looking for direction, should I continue down the vac leak path and get a smoke machine or investigate fuel pressure or MAF?
Your idle g/s is way low. Somewhere around 3.5 to 4 g/s would be about right for that motor. Since the situation improves at higher rpm it's more likely to be a vacuum leak than a misreporting MAF.
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Heater circuit is not working as I said prior. Not the 02's, the wiring circuit. Check power and ground and check for blown fuse on heater circuit. If fuse is good you have an open on power or ground.
The reason you get activity at 2500 rpm is that exhaust is heating 02's.
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scannerjohn wrote: What I'm seeing is no O2 activity at idle then when rpm is increased to 2500 02's respond then go back to no activity when engine returns to idle.
Is that no activity or pegged lean? Whatever it is happened pretty quick in the "transition back to idle" trace. And happened to the upstream first.
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Cheryl wrote: You pinch off the brake booster hose? And purge valve? Also I’d try a capacitor discharge on it to reset the computer. Unhook both battery cables connect a jumper wire between them for 10 minutes. Not the terminals on the battery but the cables. Then retest. On them older Toyota’s like that I’ve had them not correct after a repair
I have pinched off the hoses mentioned and more. After replacing the O2s I did disconnect the battery for ~10 minutes. Fuel trims started at zero and it stayed in open loop for awhile. After ~15 minutes or so of driving it went into closed loop and trims went back to where they were.
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scannerjohn wrote: What I'm seeing is no O2 activity at idle then when rpm is increased to 2500 02's respond then go back to no activity when engine returns to idle.
Heater circuit is not working as I said prior. Not the 02's, the wiring circuit. Check power and ground and check for blown fuse on heater circuit. If fuse is good you have an open on power or ground.
The reason you get activity at 2500 rpm is that exhaust is heating 02's.
When I first start the engine at idle, the O2s do oscillate pretty quickly. As it warms up they oscillate slower and finally flatline. It does stay in closed loop when flatlined.
With the old O2 sensor, I have the makings for a test harness. I'll put light bulb on the end of the heater wires and report back.
Appreciate your comments.
Paul
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You have a 3.4l V6 engine. You will have three 02's. Two upstream, one each just below the exhaust headers on each side of the engine, and one post cat. Your scan tool should show B1S1, B2S1 and either B1S2 or B2S2 for the post cat 02.
The upstream 02 heaters are controlled by the pcm. At startup the they are in open loop so the heater circuit are active until they go into closed loop at which time the pcm monitors signals from other sensors ECT, MAF, IAT, MAP to tell it to pulse ground the heater circuit according to engine conditions and 02 heater temp to keep the 02 at 700+ degrees. Above idle the 02 will remain hot from exhaust gases but will be pulse grounded as they drop below 700 degrees.
When you use your 02 light adapter, the light should be steady at startup for only a few sec or so then pulse on off.
Your engine temp is low. Should be 205-210 and the MAF g/s should be 3.4-4 at idle. I'd you have not done already, clean the MAF and IAT. Take care in cleaning they are delicate. So not touch them only use a spray MAF cleaner.
The voltage on the post cat 02 should be steady at 500-700mv. It should not oscillate.
Look forward to hearing your next post.
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