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5 years 3 weeks ago #43102 by Carstuff
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o2 sensor goes lean under wide open throttle and than check light shows misfire code.
shouldnt the o2 sensor go rich at wide open throttle. im assuming lack of fuel.

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5 years 2 weeks ago - 5 years 2 weeks ago #43134 by Carstuff
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5 years 2 weeks ago #43139 by Hardtopdr2
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Bank 2 sensor 1 looks to be slow responding or stuck rich. Videos are real blurry cant be 100% because of that might want to have someone hold the camera to the scanner keeping it focused. Also what are the codes, year, make and model of car?

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5 years 2 weeks ago #43161 by Carstuff
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the first code that triggers the light is p306 but continuing driving creates the other codes p305 , p0172 or p0300.

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5 years 2 weeks ago #43166 by Hardtopdr2
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Ok the p0300 p0305 p0306 are misfire codes
The p0172 is a bank 1 rich code

Whats the year make model of car?

In mean time check your spark plugs for fouling and excessive gap, ohm test plug wires if applicable, ohm test injectors and compare to your maintenance manual, ohm test primary and secondary side of coils and compare to maintenance manual. Also look at maf sensor reading at idle, 1500 and 2500 rpm it should read close to the liter displacement of engine. IE 3.8 liter engine should be ~4-6 grams/sec at idle. if it is less or way more try cleaning it with some maf sensor cleaner or a solvent that does not leave a residue that is safe for electronics. If it does not read correctly after that you might have to replace it depending on what injectors ohm out to as well as what you find with plugs, wires and coils.

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5 years 2 weeks ago #43174 by Carstuff
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I think it was p0171 not p0172 plug are clean new . When the misfire occurs the injector goes off to prevent cat damage.

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3 years 9 months ago #53030 by Carstuff
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The coils and plugs are new

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3 years 9 months ago #53036 by VegasJAK
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To answer your question, yes, upstream 02's should go rich at WOT. Default strategy does this.

Check those 02's by causing a rich and lean condition. Vacuum leak will cause lean condition and alternative fuel, propane or brake cleaner will cause rich condition.

Do a snap throttle test, both 02' should equally go rich.

You need to discover if you have a true lean condition or a failing 02.

Don't be a part changer, test first.

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3 years 9 months ago #53037 by Carstuff
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A snap throttle doesn't go rich. But if I use some brake clean in the intake it goes rich but it still has that limpy misfire

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3 years 9 months ago #53041 by VegasJAK
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When the misfire occurs the injector goes off to prevent cat damage.

What are you basing this on? Not saying you're wrong, I want to understand were you know this to be a fact in your case.

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3 years 9 months ago #53042 by Carstuff
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I had scoped the injector on that cylinder using my snap on scanner and the ecu cut the signal to that injector. Now if I shutoff and restart car the signal is back for a good 10 seconds before it cuts off the signal to injector pulse.

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3 years 9 months ago #53045 by VegasJAK
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That's absolutely how it works. By default, the ecm will reset the injectors pulse at new startup until it again detect the dead misfire.

The history on this car. You replaced the plugs and coils because of the misfire?Did you swap coils and or plugs first to see if the misfire moved?

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3 years 9 months ago #53046 by Carstuff
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The coils were bad they were sparking outside the body. Replaced all only one good coil . Plugs were worn just put in new one.
Sometimes the misfire is gone for 2 miles and come back

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3 years 9 months ago #53047 by VegasJAK
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Are these coil on plugs or a waste spark system.

Could have coil driver problems but intermittent spark... Have you scoped the crank and cam sensors and reviewed their correlation?

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3 years 9 months ago #53049 by Carstuff
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The coils are individually per cylinder.
The coils stay sparking during the misfire. Pulling the coils I see the spark . I didn't check the cam crank

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3 years 9 months ago #53050 by VegasJAK
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Do you have any ignition waveforms for us to review?

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3 years 9 months ago #53053 by Carstuff
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I don't have any waveforms. I'm assuming it's good with new coils

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3 years 9 months ago #53055 by VegasJAK
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If you have constant spark but intermittent injector impulse, I would look at the wiring very closely. Heat and vibration. Look for contact and stress points in the wiring... Good luck and report back.

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3 years 9 months ago #53058 by Carstuff
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It seems to be a real misfire . I probed different parts of the injector wiring and the scope shows the same readout of no activity.
Sometimes it's p0300 sometimes its p306 p305.

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3 years 9 months ago #53062 by VegasJAK
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Have you checked the injector pulse at the ecm?

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