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350 TBI won't start when timing bypass is disconnected / unplugged
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6 years 8 months ago #27991
by Napy134
350 TBI won't start when timing bypass is disconnected / unplugged was created by Napy134
Hey guys,
I'm new to this forum and new to owning my first chevy truck (with a small problem - hopefully!) and I wanted to post this here for some help/advice/guidance.
I have done some research on this problem and only found one other post on the internet with this problem so it seems like a rare one! Unfortunately, the post I found died once the OP stopped responding.
So here is the story and the problem:.
As of yesterday, I am the new owner of my first Chevy truck!
It's a:
1989 GMC Sierra 2500 with a TBI 350
It's completely stock and runs great! (while the EST Bypass wire is connected)
No check engine light
Got it for $500
There is a problem...
The truck does not pass CA smog testing
Smog Visual: Passed
Smog Emissions/sniffer: Passed
Smog Functional test: Failed
The reason it failed (as printed on the smog failure report) is: Ignition timing is not readable. Also vehicle will not run when single wire tan/black connector is disconnected which is procedure for checking timing.
This was my first attempt at resolving the problem:
Started the engine and warmed it up
Disconnected the tan/black EST bypass connector WHILE the engine was running and the engine went from idling smoothly to a idling rough.
Using a timing light: I set the timing to 0 degrees. The engine then began to run smoothly!
I reconnected the EST bypass connector. (This was done while the engine was still running - The engine continued to run smoothly.)
I shut the engine off
I started the engine and it ran perfectly fine. (I thought I had resolved the issue!)
Just to double check: I shut the engine off then I disconnected the EST bypass connector again.
I tried to start the engine
Results: Engine cranks over but does not start
After realizing the engine was not going to start: I reconnected the EST bypass connector.
The engine took quite a bit of cranking before it started. Once started, it ran fine.
Basically I am able to replicate the exact same same problem that the smog shop came across.
Based on my research, the correct procedure to check the timing is:
Warm up engine
Shut off engine
Disconnect EST bypass wire
Start engine (Cannot get past this step...)
Set timing to 0
Shut off engine
Reconnect EST bypass wire
I'm guessing this is the procedure the smog shop is trying to follow so seems I need to get this to work for them so the smog test passes. I hope this is enough details. Please let me know if you have any ideas
Thanks for the help in advance!
I'm new to this forum and new to owning my first chevy truck (with a small problem - hopefully!) and I wanted to post this here for some help/advice/guidance.
I have done some research on this problem and only found one other post on the internet with this problem so it seems like a rare one! Unfortunately, the post I found died once the OP stopped responding.
So here is the story and the problem:.
As of yesterday, I am the new owner of my first Chevy truck!
It's a:
1989 GMC Sierra 2500 with a TBI 350
It's completely stock and runs great! (while the EST Bypass wire is connected)
No check engine light
Got it for $500
There is a problem...
The truck does not pass CA smog testing
Smog Visual: Passed
Smog Emissions/sniffer: Passed
Smog Functional test: Failed
The reason it failed (as printed on the smog failure report) is: Ignition timing is not readable. Also vehicle will not run when single wire tan/black connector is disconnected which is procedure for checking timing.
This was my first attempt at resolving the problem:
Started the engine and warmed it up
Disconnected the tan/black EST bypass connector WHILE the engine was running and the engine went from idling smoothly to a idling rough.
Using a timing light: I set the timing to 0 degrees. The engine then began to run smoothly!
I reconnected the EST bypass connector. (This was done while the engine was still running - The engine continued to run smoothly.)
I shut the engine off
I started the engine and it ran perfectly fine. (I thought I had resolved the issue!)
Just to double check: I shut the engine off then I disconnected the EST bypass connector again.
I tried to start the engine
Results: Engine cranks over but does not start
After realizing the engine was not going to start: I reconnected the EST bypass connector.
The engine took quite a bit of cranking before it started. Once started, it ran fine.
Basically I am able to replicate the exact same same problem that the smog shop came across.
Based on my research, the correct procedure to check the timing is:
Warm up engine
Shut off engine
Disconnect EST bypass wire
Start engine (Cannot get past this step...)
Set timing to 0
Shut off engine
Reconnect EST bypass wire
I'm guessing this is the procedure the smog shop is trying to follow so seems I need to get this to work for them so the smog test passes. I hope this is enough details. Please let me know if you have any ideas
Thanks for the help in advance!
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6 years 8 months ago #27992
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Replied by chief eaglebear on topic 350 TBI won't start when timing bypass is disconnected / unplugged
I cannot access bbb industries but my thoughts on this is the input for icm is the crank sensor I would verify input although it being a bypass system I forget wether input for crank goes to ecm or icm but I would check crank sensor input not sure if that's the right direction
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6 years 8 months ago #28051
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Replied by Napy134 on topic 350 TBI won't start when timing bypass is disconnected / unplugged
Hey guys! Here’s an update:
I sent a message to BobR at DynamicEFI (he builds ECMs for these cars/trucks) and brought him up to speed with this problem.
BobR responded with:
“One thing to keep in mind, is that with the engine not running (under 400 RPM), there is no difference between having the EST/BYPASS open or closed. The ECM opens the EST/BYPASS electrically. This is at least on a properly functioning system.
Best guess is that the pickup coil in the distributor is bad.
However, should do some trouble shooting with the EST/BYPASS connector open. During cranking are the injectors firing? Is there spark”
With this response I checked for spark and fuel and both existed. From here, the pickup coil was the next culprit.
I replaced the entire distributor (since it has a new pickup coil inside) and problem solved!!!
The truck now runs just fine with the EST/Bypass disconnected. I took it to the smog station and it passed!
Hope this helps someone down the road!
I sent a message to BobR at DynamicEFI (he builds ECMs for these cars/trucks) and brought him up to speed with this problem.
BobR responded with:
“One thing to keep in mind, is that with the engine not running (under 400 RPM), there is no difference between having the EST/BYPASS open or closed. The ECM opens the EST/BYPASS electrically. This is at least on a properly functioning system.
Best guess is that the pickup coil in the distributor is bad.
However, should do some trouble shooting with the EST/BYPASS connector open. During cranking are the injectors firing? Is there spark”
With this response I checked for spark and fuel and both existed. From here, the pickup coil was the next culprit.
I replaced the entire distributor (since it has a new pickup coil inside) and problem solved!!!

The truck now runs just fine with the EST/Bypass disconnected. I took it to the smog station and it passed!
Hope this helps someone down the road!
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