[FIXED] 2001 Ford F150 P0401 code
With the engine off key on if I unplug the DPFE wring plug and i use the voltmeter I have 5v on the top wire, the middle wire is ground(confirmed by connecting one lead to 12v at battery) and the bottom wire I get 5v(ref). To me it does sound I have a wiring issue with the top wire or maybe a PCM issue. Any suggestions on how to test to see if I have a bad or fault connection on that wire? I don't have a wring schematic to trace the colors. I bought the truck with 157k miles 3 years ago and i never had any issues with this code.
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I see that the engine runs rough when the EGR valve is opened with vacuum, good move. Is 1.27V the highest reading you saw when opening the EGR? If possible, try opening the EGR all the way and raising the engine speed. This should show closer to 4V if the passages are clear.
You've inspected the EGR valve and the tube, so the next place I'd suggest checking is the passages inside the intake itself. This is where the EGR gasses cool rapidly, and where you're most likely to get carbon buildup. You may need to remove the throttle body to get everything cleaned out.
Another thing worth doing is manually energizing the EGR vacuum solenoid, as this will check that all is well with the vacuum hoses and solenoid. Not sure if this is the video you watched, but it describes the procedure perfectly.
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I have a scanner but it it doesn't show dpfe voltage. Yes the highest is 1.27v. There is no carbon build up in the throttle body. I removed it before and both holes are clear.Tyler wrote: Do you have access to scan data? Checking the DPFE voltage PID can help you determine if there's a wiring problem or not. If the voltmeter agrees with the scan data when you're manually opening the EGR, then I wouldn't worry about the wiring or PCM. Also, the fact that you're getting 5V on the signal wire at the DPFE itself tends to suggest that the wiring is good, as that voltage is coming directly from the PCM.
I see that the engine runs rough when the EGR valve is opened with vacuum, good move. Is 1.27V the highest reading you saw when opening the EGR? If possible, try opening the EGR all the way and raising the engine speed. This should show closer to 4V if the passages are clear.
You've inspected the EGR valve and the tube, so the next place I'd suggest checking is the passages inside the intake itself. This is where the EGR gasses cool rapidly, and where you're most likely to get carbon buildup. You may need to remove the throttle body to get everything cleaned out.
Another thing worth doing is manually energizing the EGR vacuum solenoid, as this will check that all is well with the vacuum hoses and solenoid. Not sure if this is the video you watched, but it describes the procedure perfectly.
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jayta98 wrote: There is no carbon build up in the throttle body. I removed it before and both holes are clear.
OK, cool. Sure sounds like our exhaust path is clear, then. Any luck with the EVR test?
Going back to the DPFE sensor, you could try taking the front hose off and using a hand vacuum pump, KOEO. The difference in pressure should make the sensor respond with a positive voltage increase. If you can't get the voltage past the 1.27V you observed earlier, then we should dig deeper into the sensor and the wiring.
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Tyler wrote:
jayta98 wrote: There is no carbon build up in the throttle body. I removed it before and both holes are clear.
OK, cool. Sure sounds like our exhaust path is clear, then. Any luck with the EVR test?
Going back to the DPFE sensor, you could try taking the front hose off and using a hand vacuum pump, KOEO. The difference in pressure should make the sensor respond with a positive voltage increase. If you can't get the voltage past the 1.27V you observed earlier, then we should dig deeper into the sensor and the wiring.
Ok so I followed your test at DPFE sensor. KOEO with vacuum pump connect in the front port of the sensor. Before I apply vacuum the voltage is about 1.2v. As soon as I apply a little vacuum the voltage is 4.92v. So does this mean the sensor is good? Could be an issue with the small port on the pipe? When I pulled it off I remember there was flow thru the egr outlet but i don't remember if the small ports were clear. any other possibles?
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jayta98 wrote: Ok so I followed your test at DPFE sensor. KOEO with vacuum pump connect in the front port of the sensor. Before I apply vacuum the voltage is about 1.2v. As soon as I apply a little vacuum the voltage is 4.92v. So does this mean the sensor is good? Could be an issue with the small port on the pipe? When I pulled it off I remember there was flow thru the egr outlet but i don't remember if the small ports were clear. any other possibles?
Yep, I like the results of that sensor test. Also good to know about the tube ports.
I really hate to nag you about this, but are you POSITIVE the intake ports are clear? Because the only other possibility I can think of is that the replacement EGR valve isn't opening far enough to allow full flow into the intake, and I've never heard of that before. I was initially thinking of the vacuum hoses and the EVR, but we're still getting low DPFE voltage when you open the EGR manually.
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jayta98 wrote: Ok so I followed your test at DPFE sensor. KOEO with vacuum pump connect in the front port of the sensor. Before I apply vacuum the voltage is about 1.2v. As soon as I apply a little vacuum the voltage is 4.92v. So does this mean the sensor is good? Could be an issue with the small port on the pipe? When I pulled it off I remember there was flow thru the egr outlet but i don't remember if the small ports were clear. any other possibles?
Yep, I like the results of that sensor test. Also good to know about the tube ports.
I really hate to nag you about this, but are you POSITIVE the intake ports are clear? Because the only other possibility I can think of is that the replacement EGR valve isn't opening far enough to allow full flow into the intake, and I've never heard of that before. I was initially thinking of the vacuum hoses and the EVR, but we're still getting low DPFE voltage when you open the EGR manually.
Hmm I will pull the EGR out tomorrow and check everything again. I guess it could be possible the EGR could be getting stuck. I'm still trying to figure out why did the EVR test failed... I followed the video and nothing happened. I guess I can try using an actual piece of wire to left cable as see if the engine idles rough. I tried using my test light (LED) and nothing happened.
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The DPFE hoses are installed correctly. They are different diameters so it is hard to miss the correct placement.
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I'm starting to suspect if the issue related to the EGR solenoid. Like the signal to the solenoid is not been sent. I have an extra solenoid laying around and swapped it out. I got the same results.
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It was pretty much the same readings if you referring to the solenoid. That is the one I switched. I made no difference.Tutti57 wrote: I'm kind of interested to know what the voltage readings are if you put the old sensor back in. Do you happen to still have it?
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jayta98 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why did the EVR test failed... I followed the video and nothing happened. I guess I can try using an actual piece of wire to left cable as see if the engine idles rough. I tried using my test light (LED) and nothing happened.
I'm starting to suspect if the issue related to the EGR solenoid. Like the signal to the solenoid is not been sent. I have an extra solenoid laying around and swapped it out. I got the same results.
Really? :blink: We're onto something there. KOEO, what are the voltages on the two EVR wires?
Wiring diagram for reference:
If you happen to have an incandescent test light around, try that one instead, as the LED will never carry enough current to energize that solenoid. If the test light doesn't work, try a jumper wire to ground. Just make certain you're on the brown/pink wire.
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KOEO with the electrical plug connected to the solenoid I have 12v on each wire. If I unplug the wire connector and measure the voltage I have 12v on the red/yellow wire and the brown/pink is ground.Tyler wrote:
jayta98 wrote: I'm still trying to figure out why did the EVR test failed... I followed the video and nothing happened. I guess I can try using an actual piece of wire to left cable as see if the engine idles rough. I tried using my test light (LED) and nothing happened.
I'm starting to suspect if the issue related to the EGR solenoid. Like the signal to the solenoid is not been sent. I have an extra solenoid laying around and swapped it out. I got the same results.
Really? :blink: We're onto something there. KOEO, what are the voltages on the two EVR wires?
Wiring diagram for reference:
If you happen to have an incandescent test light around, try that one instead, as the LED will never carry enough current to energize that solenoid. If the test light doesn't work, try a jumper wire to ground. Just make certain you're on the brown/pink wire.
So if I'm going to use a jumper wire to test the EVR test like showed in the video I'm going to use the jumper wire from battery ground to the brown/pink wire I should see the engine stall a little and the DPFE voltage should increase, correct? I just want to make sure I don't fry my PCM when using the jumper wire. So from battery ground to brown/pink wire? Sorry to ask twice but i want to make sure.
Thanks everyone for stepping in and help. I have this problem for about a year now. I will like to resolve it.
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