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All Data vs Shop Key ( Mitchell)

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8 years 1 month ago #18559 by Ro-longo
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Well, I have mainly used Alldata since the days of having to use CD's. This biggest thing about the new alldata is the slow load times. I do like the search engine now. But I do not know what they had to try to make it "Modern". It brings the shop computer to a stand still. I can use it on my windows based tablet fairly easily. But using Identifix is much easier to use as far as loading times.

A previous shop I worked at tried to use Mitchell and it was so hard for us techs to find stuff we went back to Alldata.
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8 years 3 weeks ago - 8 years 3 weeks ago #18759 by Chad
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AllData, now, has Mitchell Schematics. And, Mitchell, now, has OE Schematics. Both have redone their search. I have been using them both for the past week. Some things I have found quicker/easier in AllData. Other things I have found quicker/easier in ShopKey. In my opinion so far, other than, the format/lay-out being different, they are both fairly equal, now. I like AllData's horizontal schematic lay-out so much that I want to keep it. (AllData has this over ShopKey/Mitchell) I was originally quoted $195/month for AllData. I dickered with them and got them down to $145/month. I have been paying $169/month for ShopKey. So, I am now subscribed to both. I'll post any other perks, or short-comings, between the two as I see them.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #18816 by Hinderliter
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I have been using Mitchell for a while now and am disappointed in the wire diagrams as the inline connectors do not show up. I have had to go back to alldata to have them show up in the diagrams I had a 2005 Durango with no power to fuel pump and had to go back to alldata to have C352 show up.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #18824 by Chad
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Hinderliter wrote: had to go back to alldata to have C352 show up.


This is from Mitchell.


This is from AllData.



I, actually, found it quicker in ShopKey. I think, a lot of it has to do with familiarity with the software.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #18826 by Ephratah
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How do you go about locating it in mitchell?
Alldata shows it in the wire diagram so you know that it actually exist in Mitchell it does not show in the wire diagram so I would have not known that it even existed to look for it.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #18827 by graywave
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We use All Data and Mitchel and I think I am more bias to All Data. I really like their search function and layout. Both sometimes have information the other one doesn't or at least not as easy to find as the other.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #18829 by Chad
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Ephratah wrote: How do you go about locating it in mitchell? Alldata shows it in the wire diagram so you know that it actually exist in Mitchell it does not show in the wire diagram so I would have not known that it even existed to look for it.


In the Service Manual section under Electrical/Body Electrical/Connector End Views. You can also find it in the Electrical Component Locator under CONNECTORS.But, as you stated, you need to know you're looking for it.
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8 years 3 weeks ago #18872 by GypsyR
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I was looking up something electrical on MotoLogic and couldn't find the pinout for the connector on it either. Popped over to Alldata and pulled it up OK. Was about annoyed. Went back to MotoLogic later and discovered the pinout diagram was only a click away from where I had left off. So after slapping myself I figure both programs to be about equal in that particular case. I'm just more practiced with Alldata.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #18921 by Noah
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I've got a laptop I with All Data and Mitchell loaded on the hard drive up to 2014 for when I'm somewhere with no internet. Really happy i didn't let that deal slip through my fingers.
I used to just use that at the shop for reference and diagrams, but since All Data changed their lay out, I really only use the Mitchell if there's something just not covered in All Data. Which isn't all that often lately.
I've heard of people experiencing long load times, but haven't had that issue myself.

We tried Motologic for a few months, and it was pretty good, but there were too many instances where the coverage just wasn't there. I imagine they have improved since then.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #19120 by Ephratah
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I have decieded to stick with All Data there are to many older vehicles that do not show the inline connectors in the wire diagram. When I called tech support they tell me that they were missing in the diagrams prior to 2007 after 2007 they were put into the diagrams. If you know they exist you can find them by doing a search for the connector number but you have to know where it is and know the connector number.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #19142 by Noah
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I will say that it is very helpful to have access to more than one reliable source of service info. Just like scan tools, sometimes one will fill the gaps where the other is lacking.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #19178 by GypsyR
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Where or how do you get an offline copy of Alldata? We used to have a stack of DVD's for Mitchell years ago.

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8 years 2 weeks ago #19179 by Chad
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GypsyR wrote: Where or how do you get an offline copy of Alldata? We used to have a stack of DVD's for Mitchell years ago.


I could be mistaken but, I don't think this is an option, anymore. It's to easy to pirate.
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8 years 2 weeks ago #19180 by GypsyR
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I heard from someone else saying this was an option but got the impression it may not have been a straight up deal.

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8 years 1 week ago - 8 years 1 week ago #19216 by Noah
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The guy I got it from was pretty shady...
All the same, it was a good deal and I didn't want to regret not buying it from him.
It's paid for itself and then some.
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8 years 1 week ago #19219 by Chad
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Noah wrote: The guy I got it from was pretty shady...


I downlo....I mean, a person COULD download a pirated 2008 version of Mitchell on Demand. 13 DVD's. 80 GB of data.
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8 years 1 week ago #19226 by Ben
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Well I'm no nod but I feel like that needs deleted quick before anyone sees it!

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8 years 1 week ago #19227 by Chad
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I tried to delete but, the Edit option is not there.:dry:
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8 years 1 week ago #19228 by GypsyR
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The torrent appears inactive so it's probably a non-issue. The guys in that thread are complaining about how no one is seeding it.

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8 years 1 week ago #19252 by Dylan
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I'll delete it pole71. Better safe than sorry I guess :)
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