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7 years 4 months ago #3653 by ImBack218
Replied by ImBack218 on topic Crank no start, no spark
Wow it does look like the transistor is in the PCM judging by the second waveform. Interesting. Why the 3 wires on the coils then... constant power, constant ground, and a computer controlled wire. I would like to know what the voltage is on the middle pin of the coil.

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7 years 4 months ago #3663 by borntoroll
Replied by borntoroll on topic Crank no start, no spark
Thanks for the waveforms. Flyback voltage spikes make it looks like the driver is in the PCM and it controlls ground side. So the primary must be 1 and 3. When computer commands 1 to be ground it energises the primery coil. When it switches off we see spark and flyback voltage spikes. seems legit ^)

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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #3667 by borntoroll
Replied by borntoroll on topic Crank no start, no spark

jonathandean wrote: Thanks again for your help. No I can't make the coil fire, maybe I am doing something wrong but no the test light doesn't illuminate when I touch it to the comtrol. There is some very low voltage on the control wire,it was below half a volt and not constant, i measured it with a scope but the voltage level seemed negligible to me, a very small amount. I hope this info helps thanks Jonathan

Regarding your measurment of half a volt - a very good case study by Ivan
Can not insert correct timing - the forum doesn't get it right. The moment about measuring half a volt starts on minute 19.
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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #3688 by steve
Replied by steve on topic Crank no start, no spark
Right, had one of these in for mot today so grabbed this for you
Back probed the coil in cylinder 1 (timing chain end, what the French call cylinder 4)

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7 years 4 months ago #3689 by borntoroll
Replied by borntoroll on topic Crank no start, no spark
Great info. Wish the yellow channel was a bit close to the green scale.

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7 years 4 months ago - 7 years 4 months ago #3690 by steve
Replied by steve on topic Crank no start, no spark
Here is the shopstream file if you want to put the cursors in for the voltage measurements

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7 years 4 months ago #3801 by jonathandean
The car is fixed now, there is a TSB for the body control module on these cars, also called the BSI module, it appears when the garage did the headgasket, when the re connected the battery the control module got confused and effect wouldn't turn the immobiliser off.I cant explain why i couldn't make the coil fire, and why there was no codes stored.
Thanks for all your help,and to everyone who replied, this forum is a really fantastic source of help and information.

Jonathan

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7 years 4 months ago #3802 by jonathandean
Hi, Just a question if you don't mind, what tells you the transistor is inside the ECU? Thanks Jonathan

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7 years 4 months ago #3808 by steve
Replied by steve on topic Crank no start, no spark
You can tell by what you see on the control wire
If you see coil negative



Then the transistor is in the ecu

If you see a square wave then the transistor is in the coil



Here's a good video
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3 years 7 months ago #42785 by kenny peug
Replied by kenny peug on topic Crank no start, no spark
please tell me what you did because my car is doing the same thing now

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